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Old 27-02-2019, 07:39 AM
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A Little About the Science of Spirituality

The below is based on the belief in the existence of a single creative force and a vast, multilayered series of planes upon which beings subordinate to that guiding source exist and that there is a single great "will" which guides all.

Science is correct in their summation of the single event which began the physical universe. It is also correct to assume a cause for this and that it is the product of a great intelligence. For simplicity I will acquiesce to the religious and call this "God". What does this god do? What is the purpose of a god (there are many after all, some lesser, some greater, some very great but all being under a single "source God". This is consistent with a multi tiered spiritual universe which predates any physical one. Those spiritual planes do exist. It is they that give sustenance to the physical.

God turns "his/her" great mind to the goal of creation of a series of planes which will be lower than any yet attempted. The reason will be to provide a starting point for new spiritual entities which will be born and begin a journey of advancement, eventually becoming as gods themselves. This idea is sufficient for the present. God, using "his/her" great mind, designs and begins a physical universe which will be used by beginner spiritual entities (souls) as they begin their quest for achievement.

In the highest spiritual plane there is no passage of time. All simply "is". This is the reason that God can give us freedom of choice while still knowing how we will chose. We really do have such freedom. Moving "downward" from the highest plane (where God Is) we find spiritual mass (spiritual matter) becoming heavier and more dense. As we continue to descend we find, at a certain point, that a higher correspondence of what we here might call Newtonian dimension exists. At these levels we will note a resulting passage of time. But time on these spiritual planes is much slower than here in the physical. As we continue descending through the various spiritual planes we are slowed even more as we approach the lower levels. These, when seen from Earth in the physical, will seem high indeed. But from the truly high spheres they are low and coarse.

God, having decided upon an expansion to a new, lowest series of planes, turns his/her great mind upon the matter of those spiritual planes which are at the lowest of the existing set. God's mind focuses a mighty "Will" which provokes a response. The matter of the lower planes is "excited" and slowed considerably. Soon it reaches a point of terminal agitation. The result, if one could be just above to witness it, is a blinding light wherethrough a form of matter is made. Through the agency of the great mind of God, spiritual mass is slowed and becomes, in a blinding moment, physical. The universe has begun. The source material is lower spiritual plane matter (not physical). The catalyst is "Mind and Will" directed upon lower spiritual matter as has been said.

Science looks back in time and discovers this event but does not know what to make of it because it knows full well that there must be a cause. The Big Bang of science is, after all, only a reaction to something else. But science does not know what this may be. But at the same time believers do know but there's is a matter of faith, not sure knowledge.

There is a lot more to be said in this area but suffice to say that, yes, there is a God and that this God does have some intelligent design. We surmise that in the beginning the simplest physical elements were formed and that they immediately began a long process of change which resulted in the complexities which we observe in the universe today. This is God's plan. At the moment of creation (of the physical) God began the process of growth through change and adaptation which we have come to call evolution. Evolution, both spiritual and physical, is the result, the signature, of God's intelligent design. But we humans cannot seem to be so easily convinced. We prefer, it seems, to complicate matters.
The human mind is kin to the Father's but it is very much separated from and inferior to it. We tend to tend to think in separatist terms. Because we live in and are beings of the physical universe this is all that we can see. Our vision is greatly limited. Standing in opposition to these barriers are those who believe in a supreme being which created. We thus find science in opposition to faith (religion). We argue back and forth all the time. Who is right? I'm right! No, I am right! etc etc.... very foolish. Believers claim that God created but they do not know what existed before the creation. Science knows full well that something cannot come from nothing, that indeed "nothing' is illogical and impossible, but since no spiritual planes have ever been quantified they are incapable of incorporating "god" into their scheme of things.

The immediate argument is defined by the tension between creation and evolution. The truth is that both are correct. God created. God then instituted evolution which has been in evidence ever since physical time began some 15 billion years ago. This is the truth of it. Complicating this is the fact that long ago human beings began to tell stories about the beginnings of the world. For countless thousands of years these grew in the telling. Mixed in with this was and is the fact that others from far away have been visiting and guiding the Earth (again by God's design). These off worlders are God's children too. We mustn't forget that. It was they who began their activities with the Earth long ago when our seas were yet acidic. They brought to this planet the simple life forms which they placed in the warm shallow seas. Biological life on Earth came from other planets far away. But then such forms were adapted through Earth evolution to be compatible with this world. It was they, by direction of God (this story is much more complicated than we have time here to discuss) who caused the Cambrian explosion. It was they who modified proto human beings making then suddenly the more advanced types we find today. It was they, under God, who caused one species of humans to replace other older types. It is they who are at work yet today with the Earth. They continue to guide what they began, under God. This is the truth behind the stories of abductions etc etc... They, the watchers, under God, are doing what they have been doing since the early days of our planet.

The trouble is that we look at this reality through two filters. One is science which will not speak of things it cannot observe. The others is the creative force of God which is a matter of belief through various religions. One requires knowledge. The other requires faith. If they could but only realize it though they would see that faith, when looked at more closely and openly, becomes firm knowledge. Science and faith are perfectly compatible. The two dovetail in all respects. Where science fails, faith leads. It is simple and elegant. On Earth we cannot seem to have a belief in God in any pure sense. We are compelled to do so through the structure of a Religion. This necessitates the need for identifiable authority. Thus we find religions each with it's own traditions and authorities in existence. We should remember that in the spiritual worlds there are no religions. No scriptures no requirements that we hold any particular beliefs. Only here on Earth are such things needed and that is because of the inadequacy of our minds which are only a shade of a copy of a shadow of that used by any high spiritual being (under the ultimate God).

We err greatly when we insist upon believing literally the words of any religious scriptures. Yes. Such ideas originate from on high but they are filtered and distorted as they pass lower and lower and finally through the imperfect mind of man. And then they are written for posterity. All religions are thus affected. If scriptures were perfect they would not exist in plurality. There would be but one. But the minds of man are imperfect and so we tend to believe that only our particular set of scriptures are the Words of God and that the rest are imperfect. Before we will come to understand higher truths we have to set all this aside. When we do we will find that we suddenly understand how creation and evolution both result from the intelligent design of God the creator. It is all so very simple. But to see it we have to set aside our man made inclination for separative thinking.

Religions as they are today will one day be set aside. Science will one day embrace the reality of the spiritual realms. The two will become one. There is much more to be said on this subject. Here is not the place for such expansions of thought. For our older cousins, the off worlders, a combination of science and religion exists. They have conflicts too but they are of a higher order. They do not suffer as we do.

The human mind is in it's infancy. The off worlders know this. It is they, under direction of God the Father, who have been working incessantly to help us along. When our minds are suitably developed we will successfully merge science and God. Only a few at at time manage to arrive at this point in evolution. At any time on Earth most people are yet too young. They cannot see clearly. For them faith is a requirement. Others, though, know that faith grows until it becomes knowledge. This, too, is a part of God's intelligent design and plan for humanity.

Science is not the realm of atheists. There are many believers in science but they are constrained by the requirement that they be able to quantify and demonstrate in a physical sense and that these must be correlated independently by other scientists before they can become science theories (accepted as being factual until more is known and they are replaced). Albert Einstein once said: "I want to know God's thoughts. The rest are details".

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Old 27-02-2019, 08:40 AM
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Thank you for that, those are very profound thoughts, no doubt a result of decades of thesis, antithesis and finally a synthesis of how things really are (as far as we can conceive of it with our human brains).

I always thought that all religions started off as Cargo Cults. Much more advanced beings came to Earth and tried to teach us and lift us up from our lowly existence. We inevitably ended up worshipping them as gods. We are again going through a period, where humanity is "ascending" to a higher level of evolution. Those beings of light that are far above us on the evolutionary ladder are doing everything they can to assist us. We shall become more like them in a sense, though not quite.

I am quite taken by your concept of creation, it is really quite elegant and beautiful. There really must be something to the "light", this blinding white light that happens when a higher being descends to our plane. Maybe you're right and it does signify an act of creation, perhaps the only way they can physically interact with us is by also creating such a subtle (not quite as dense as ours) physical body and when such a body is created by a being of pure light and spirit, that is when the "lightshow" takes place.

I always wonder though, whether the creation of the physical world is truly the benevolent act we assume it is. If it is created by a being, that being surely doesn't come across as overly competent or benevolent. The created physical world is a bit of a mess, to put it mildly. In terms of most beings that have to endure it, it seems a lot closer to hell than heaven most of the time, with immense suffering a given for most creatures. That opens of the possibility of a Demiurge, a less-than-perfect creator who is either incompetent, evil, or a combination of the two. I wonder what your thoughts are on that?
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Old 27-02-2019, 10:28 AM
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Thank you for that, those are very profound thoughts, no doubt a result of decades of thesis, antithesis and finally a synthesis of how things really are (as far as we can conceive of it with our human brains).

I always thought that all religions started off as Cargo Cults. Much more advanced beings came to Earth and tried to teach us and lift us up from our lowly existence. We inevitably ended up worshipping them as gods. We are again going through a period, where humanity is "ascending" to a higher level of evolution. Those beings of light that are far above us on the evolutionary ladder are doing everything they can to assist us. We shall become more like them in a sense, though not quite.

I am quite taken by your concept of creation, it is really quite elegant and beautiful. There really must be something to the "light", this blinding white light that happens when a higher being descends to our plane. Maybe you're right and it does signify an act of creation, perhaps the only way they can physically interact with us is by also creating such a subtle (not quite as dense as ours) physical body and when such a body is created by a being of pure light and spirit, that is when the "lightshow" takes place.

I always wonder though, whether the creation of the physical world is truly the benevolent act we assume it is. If it is created by a being, that being surely doesn't come across as overly competent or benevolent. The created physical world is a bit of a mess, to put it mildly. In terms of most beings that have to endure it, it seems a lot closer to hell than heaven most of the time, with immense suffering a given for most creatures. That opens of the possibility of a Demiurge, a less-than-perfect creator who is either incompetent, evil, or a combination of the two. I wonder what your thoughts are on that?


My writing is wholly inadequate though. It manages to hint at reality but falls short in every area. This is a sure sign, when it is observed, of some limited ability. It's OK. All we can do is to keep trying.

When a higher being wants to appear to a human he or she will simply construct an ethereal double, give it the desired message and send it to the lower subplane of the ehtereal at the location of the recipient. Then Moses, for instance or Mary mother of Jesus, or so many others, will actually see and hear this visionary seemingly high personage. Remember that the lower ethereal is just a bit higher than the physical. But it is typical for the messenger to be surrounded by light and it is also typical for a powerful, loving radiation to envelope the listener. The girls at Fatima where also thus entranced. It is quite a common method of communication. Using the ethereal plane avoids the danger to the physical human should direct contact be made to a really high plane. The shock of such an experience would probably be harmful to us.

Benevolence is an aspect of the astral plane. In higher planes it exists in it's higher correspondence. But the emotional elements of these are missing. For instance on the plane just above the mental plane, the divine, we would find benevolence as being "directed use of Will". God is not a human being but God has a body. God's body of expression is everything in existence either spiritual or physical on all planes. The entire universe and everything in it including our bodies is God's body of expression. God is impersonal. But this does not mean that God does not care about His creation. No. Now for the harder pill to swallow. Our relationship with God the creator is limited to the sphere, the spiritual realm, of this planet as it is linked to our star, the sun. It is not a new concept but the God to which we owe our existence is really the great being which corresponds with informing our physical sun. This is truth. Nearer to home there are great beings more closely associated with the Earth. Our planet is managed in all aspects by a grand assemblage of human and post human souls who work unceasingly to keep the Earth as it is so that we can continue as a species. This is called by esotericists the Hierarchy of the planet. At it's head is the World Teacher, the Christ. This is the very same one which is revered by Christians. When on Earth the man Jesus took on the responsibilities of this teacher. This is the reason he left us with such a large body of ideas.

Is God benevolent? In the lower expression the answer is yes. In the higher expression it is no. But love is always present. Mind you that the higher correspondence of what we know as love is "Will full cooperation with creative purpose". And what is this purpose?

What does God do? God expresses. The business of any deity is expression. This is accomplished by engaging in creation with purpose. The mechanism of that purpose is evolution first physical then spiritual. Human souls begin in human bodies. They live thousands of lifetimes here on Earth (and other worlds) getting kicked around but always advancing. When they finally leave they take their store of wisdom with them. Now they have evolved to a post human status. They are no longer human souls. They join with others in groups and assume a new identity. Then they either stay with the Earth to serve or they go elsewhere for new adventures but always learning and growing. This process is the very stuff of God expressing. As His creations finally approach and return to His body of expression on the highest plane God expands. This is the reason for it all. Mind you we must relate this in human, imperfect, limited terms. The actual reality is too high for us to comprehend.

You say the world is a mess. Right you are. Why are we here? Because we must acquire wisdom before we can leave we have to be situated where we can learn from experience and then apply what has been learned. This is the only way. Consider this... If we were to stay on the mental plane for instance and attend schools instead of coming to Earth as humans we could learn but the lessons would be empty of those things which result in us becoming wise. It is impossible, on any but the lowest spiritual planes, for someone, a soul, to meet adversity for more than a few moments. But we have to not only meet but be immersed in strife and conflict. How else can we learn and apply and develop wisdom? How else can we become gods ourselves? So the Earth is a mess. It is a bit easier if we realize that at any moment there are on Earth a great majority of very inexperienced souls. As they advance and finally graduate they leave the physical world. But new souls are coming here all the time. This is why the world is like it is. Most souls here are very junior. Funny thing is that there is no requirement for world leaders to be advanced souls. This is the reason we so often find bad people in power. This is also the reason we so often see advanced souls incarnated living as hermits quietly where they can do their work free of overt conflict.

I don't want this answer to get too long so I'll stop here.

There is another interesting thing I will say about society but it can wait a bit.

Thanks for reading....

Bartholomew
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Old 27-02-2019, 10:48 AM
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I'd like to add here that our Earth has seen humanity come and go three times so far. Ours is the fourth civilization. Everything is cyclic. That the Earth shakes herself every once in a while is normal. Such events are really, when seen from the esoteric standpoint, moments of initiation whereat the Earth suddenly grows at an accelerated rate. Then when humanity starts over it is more capable and will achieve quicker.

Remembering that we have been are are being helped by off worlders I will say that earlier in this period those folks lived openly among human beings in no fewer than seven places in the world. One of these was the Middle East. It is they and their activities which gave rise to legends of gods among men. The Old Testament stories are correct. They did cohabitate with the daughters of men. They acted against their orders though and were punished with banishment. This is the truth behind the ejection of Adam and Eve from the garden (which a a protected place close to Earth humans of the day). But in those days temples were teaching centers. We find in studies of history old temple sites. Why do we call them temples? How do we know to associate these with God? How indeed... In the early days men were taught to farm, to raise livestock and so on. They were taught how to become civilized and self sufficient. Those places that we are so inclined to call temples of worship were really teaching centers. The "gods" (off worlders) used these as centers of learning. When they left they installed humans to manage and take over their roles. For a time it worked as planned. Later though the humans in charge began to change. Now they were beginning to teach worship of these gods who so benevolently came to teach us. In addition they assumed the role of priests. Beyond that they collected wealth in various forms to sacrifice to the gods. See? This is the corrupting influence of humanity. We tend to modify to suit our own visions anything which we receive. This is why learning to be selfless is such a desireable trait.

So now we have the tradition of gods in the Earth and also we have a slight, vague knowledge of the great God of our sun which is He who creates. Yes. The local creative center for our solar system is within our sun. The sun has a spiritual center embodied by a great personage which is for practical purposes our God. Do we recall old stories of sun gods? How about the sun of God? Sound familiar? All of these are tied together into a portrait of reality witch is truly grand in scale. There is much to learn.

Does the above rign true to you? Is it easy to understand why we find so many ancient temples around the world? And do we see their history too? And can we understand a little more about our own nature?

There is another interesting tidbit of historical information that I will relate before I forget.

Many long ages ago, in the cycle of humanity before this current one, the gods (offworlders) were contending with the necessary elimination of those older Earth produced races of proto human types. These were being replaced by the new which were products of itnerbreeding alien to Earth humans. It is from these older groups that Adam and Eve's children (they had many) went to find wives. The rule was a declaration that no woman would be allowed to mate with an Earth man. But the newer human males could go to the older line to find wives. This, Adam and Eve's sons did. Only the newer hybrids were allowed to procreate. But since they all looked the same how to tell the difference? This is the source, the true reason, for the old Hebrew tradition of male circumcision. A woman was forbidden to mate with an uncircumcised male. This edict resulted in the quick end of groups like the Neanderthals in Europe. See? This is the way it was. But now the Jews know nothing about the real reason for that practice. They will just say that it was mandated by God.

The Earth is an interesting place and our history is still being written.

Thanks for reading...

Bartholomew

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Old 27-02-2019, 01:39 PM
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„ My writing is wholly inadequate though. It manages to hint at reality but falls short in every area. This is a sure sign, when it is observed, of some limited ability. It's OK. All we can do is to keep trying. „
It’s not so much the written word, but human language in general, that’s inadequate, I find. Still, your’re right, one must try.

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„ When a higher being wants to appear to a human he or she will simply construct an ethereal double, give it the desired message and send it to the lower subplane of the ehtereal at the location of the recipient. Then Moses, for instance or Mary mother of Jesus, or so many others, will actually see and hear this visionary seemingly high personage. Remember that the lower ethereal is just a bit higher than the physical. But it is typical for the messenger to be surrounded by light and it is also typical for a powerful, loving radiation to envelope the listener. The girls at Fatima where also thus entranced. It is quite a common method of communication. Using the ethereal plane avoids the danger to the physical human should direct contact be made to a really high plane. The shock of such an experience would probably be harmful to us. „
That’s similar to what my spirit guide at the time, Inanna told me about how „they” (the gods) appear in front of us. She told me it is a process similar to Astral Projection. Her actual body remains in a faraway location (from our perspective), but she recreates a body of sorts in our plane of existence, with which we can interact with to a certain degree. These projected bodies (avatars I guess?) are made of coherent light, held together by an electromagnetic field. They can touch people with it and perform healing even, without the need to move from their actual location, wherever that may be.

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„ Benevolence is an aspect of the astral plane.”
I’m not sure if that’s always true. There do seem to be parasitic and predatory entities in the lower astral, which is the region closest to our own, vibrationally.

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„In higher planes it exists in it's higher correspondence. But the emotional elements of these are missing. For instance on the plane just above the mental plane, the divine, we would find benevolence as being "directed use of Will". God is not a human being but God has a body. God's body of expression is everything in existence either spiritual or physical on all planes. The entire universe and everything in it including our bodies is God's body of expression. God is impersonal. But this does not mean that God does not care about His creation. „

There are corresponding concepts in Hindu philosophy, which I’m more familar with. There is the idea of Purusha, or Universal Man, where the created Universe itself is believed to be a living, breathing person, with the various celestial objects making up his organs. I find that idea interesting, because Galaxies do look an awful lot like Chakras, they’re both spinning vortices of energy, with the only difference being scale. The other concept is the of the Universal Form of God. This is described in the Bhagavad Gita, where Arjuna gets a glimpse of it, but finds it so terrifying and disconcerting that he asks his friend, Krishna, to return to his human form, which he can handle.

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„No. Now for the harder pill to swallow. Our relationship with God the creator is limited to the sphere, the spiritual realm, of this planet as it is linked to our star, the sun. It is not a new concept but the God to which we owe our existence is really the great being which corresponds with informing our physical sun. This is truth. Nearer to home there are great beings more closely associated with the Earth. Our planet is managed in all aspects by a grand assemblage of human and post human souls who work unceasingly to keep the Earth as it is so that we can continue as a species. This is called by esotericists the Hierarchy of the planet. At it's head is the World Teacher, the Christ. This is the very same one which is revered by Christians. When on Earth the man Jesus took on the responsibilities of this teacher. This is the reason he left us with such a large body of ideas. „

I don’t know about that, personally. Christianity never appealed to me and I can’t make heads or tails of any of its teachings. I’m not sold on the idea that JC was a real, historical figure. I think he may very well be an allegory for the „ideal man”, a god-man of sorts, who has fully realised his godliness in a human body and is therefore a template for others to follow. He is probably a representation of the Sun though, that much makes sense.

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„Is God benevolent? In the lower expression the answer is yes. In the higher expression it is no. But love is always present. Mind you that the higher correspondence of what we know as love is "Will full cooperation with creative purpose". And what is this purpose?

What does God do? God expresses. The business of any deity is expression. This is accomplished by engaging in creation with purpose. The mechanism of that purpose is evolution first physical then spiritual. Human souls begin in human bodies. They live thousands of lifetimes here on Earth (and other worlds) getting kicked around but always advancing. When they finally leave they take their store of wisdom with them. Now they have evolved to a post human status. They are no longer human souls. They join with others in groups and assume a new identity. Then they either stay with the Earth to serve or they go elsewhere for new adventures but always learning and growing. This process is the very stuff of God expressing. As His creations finally approach and return to His body of expression on the highest plane God expands. This is the reason for it all. Mind you we must relate this in human, imperfect, limited terms. The actual reality is too high for us to comprehend.

You say the world is a mess. Right you are. Why are we here? Because we must acquire wisdom before we can leave we have to be situated where we can learn from experience and then apply what has been learned. This is the only way. Consider this... If we were to stay on the mental plane for instance and attend schools instead of coming to Earth as humans we could learn but the lessons would be empty of those things which result in us becoming wise. It is impossible, on any but the lowest spiritual planes, for someone, a soul, to meet adversity for more than a few moments. But we have to not only meet but be immersed in strife and conflict. How else can we learn and apply and develop wisdom? How else can we become gods ourselves? So the Earth is a mess. It is a bit easier if we realize that at any moment there are on Earth a great majority of very inexperienced souls. As they advance and finally graduate they leave the physical world. But new souls are coming here all the time. This is why the world is like it is. Most souls here are very junior. Funny thing is that there is no requirement for world leaders to be advanced souls. This is the reason we so often find bad people in power. This is also the reason we so often see advanced souls incarnated living as hermits quietly where they can do their work free of overt conflict.

I don't want this answer to get too long so I'll stop here.

There is another interesting thing I will say about society but it can wait a bit.

Thanks for reading....

Bartholomew „

Those are certainly intriquing theories. I personally have no idea if they are valid, I feel this is well beyond our current understanding of the Universe. I have been told certain things through channellings, but I take them with a grain of salt.
Regarding your subsequent post:

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„ I'd like to add here that our Earth has seen humanity come and go three times so far. Ours is the fourth civilization. Everything is cyclic. That the Earth shakes herself every once in a while is normal. Such events are really, when seen from the esoteric standpoint, moments of initiation whereat the Earth suddenly grows at an accelerated rate. Then when humanity starts over it is more capable and will achieve quicker.

Remembering that we have been are are being helped by off worlders I will say that earlier in this period those folks lived openly among human beings in no fewer than seven places in the world. One of these was the Middle East. It is they and their activities which gave rise to legends of gods among men. The Old Testament stories are correct. They did cohabitate with the daughters of men. They acted against their orders though and were punished with banishment. This is the truth behind the ejection of Adam and Eve form the garden (which a a protected place close to Earth humans of the day). But in those days temples were teaching centers. We find in studies of history old temple sites. Why do we call them temples? How do we know to associate these with God? How indeed... In the early days men were taught to farm, to raise livestock and so on. They were taught how to become civilized and self sufficient. Those places that we are so inclined to call temples of worship were really teaching centers. The "gods" (off worlders) used these as centers of learning. When they left they installed humans to manage and take over their roles. For a time it worked as planned. Later though the humans in charge began to change. Now they were beginning to teach worship of these gods who so benevolently came to teach us. In addition they assumed the role of priests. Beyond that they collected wealth in various forms to sacrifice to the gods. See? This is the corrupting influence of humanity. We tend to modify to suit our own visions anything which we receive. This is why learning to be selfless is such a desireable trait.

So now we have the tradition of gods in the Earth and also we have a slight, vague knowledge of the great God of our sun which is He who creates. Yes. The local creative center for our solar system is within our sun. The sun has a spiritual center embodied by a great personage which is for practical purposes our God. Do we recall old stories of sun gods? How about the sun of God? Sound familiar? All of these are tied together into a portrait of reality witch is truly grand in scale. There is much to learn.

Does the above rign true to you? Is it easy to understand why we find so many ancient temples around the world? And do we see their history too? And can we understand a little more about our own nature?

There is another interesting tidbit of historical information that I will relate before I forget.

Many long ages ago, in the cycle of humanity before this current one, the gods (offworlders) were contending with the necessary elimination of those older Earth produced races of proto human types. These were being replaced by the new which were products of itnerbreeding alien to Earth humans. It is from these older groups that Adam and Eve's children (they had many) went to find wives. The rule was a declaration that no woman would be allowed to mate with an Earth man. But the newer human males could go to the older line to find wives. This, Adam and Eve's sons did. Only the newer hybrids were allowed to procreate. But since they all looked the same how to tell the difference? This is the source, the true reason, for the old Hebrew tradition of male circumcision. A woman was forbidden to mate with an uncircumcised male. This edict resulted in the quick end of groups like the Neanderthals in Europe. See? This is the way it was. But now the Jews know nothing about the real reason for that practice. They will just say that it was mandated by God.

The Earth is an interesting place and our history is still being written. „

I have largely come to the same conclusions through my own research and channellings, though I consider the Adam and Eve story to be symbolic. Also, Neanderthals were smarter, with larger brains than current humans, there is a very real chance we are actually a regression from that higher state of evolution. But that is still being debated by scientists themselves, so we’ll see in what direction that story develops.
I can relate to the Sun God thing. I channel Utu sometimes, who is the Sumerian Sun God and he is indeed incredibly powerful. I’m told his power actually comes from his ability to control the sun and use its power for whatever purpose it’s needed for, including as a weapon against unwanted intruders into this solar system. The offworld theme is certainly strong with them. I believe the gods are extraterrestrial, but not extrasolar. Many celestial objects that may seem barren and devoid of life in this density, could be teeming with it in a higher one.
Sorry, that’s all I have time for now, there are many themes you brought up and these would actually require a book-length treatment to do them justice.
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Old 27-02-2019, 08:35 PM
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I am James. I am also a channel, a conscious channel. Bartholomew is my contact and has been my sole contact since about 1991. Before that time I was a more ordinary sensitive. When I write a post now I begin with an impulse then the rest is channeling. That's why I sign off as "Bartholomew".

Thanks for your replies. When I read I am reminded of the need to compensate for our imperfect minds. It is my belief that the Hindus are the holders of the oldest set of truths on Earth at this time. I remember too that all of we humans suffer from the same inability to properly codify higher realities. I try to position myself in a stance of selflessness believing that in this way the highest and best of channeled information will be available.

There is a sign that I have noted in channeling. During a session the ideas rush by and we try to record them before we forget. Later we read and it seems detached because the connection has faded a bit. Who wrote this? So then I can re read and repaid spelling and typos but changing something too much is more difficult because the awareness has returned to normal, whatever that is.

There are enough points of agreement in both our statements to serve as confirmations. You and I are not the same person after all nor have we had the same experineces nor are our vibes the same. Let's not forget the conditioning effects as given by astrological influences. I think of two men in different buildings looking out of windows at the same event. Perspective is a little different. So descriptions vary just a bit but not so much as to negate either.

The astral is a truly wondrous place. At the high end we find beauty and access to vistas of what seems to us to be ultimate truths. At the central areas are the feelings of everyday living. We are sustained. At the lower end are those things which are unique to the Earth. Here are those forms which find expression through people who are up to no good. Below that plane is the ethereal which also has divisions. When a higher entity plans to use the lower planes in order to bring a message or teaching to us he or she will use directed mind to rearrange the matter of the target plane and then likewise with the communication. All this then remains intact until it is removed. The form is usually ethereal and astral too using the appropriate sub plane energies. Just because we are in the astral does not mean we are in the lower parts where strange things happen.

We have chakras which give us points of connections to higher planes. As our bodies are thus constructed so is our planet. Earth is a body with chakras too. Our solar plexus for instance connects us the the solar plexus of the planet. Our crown, if it is adequately developed, allows us the ability to interact directly with the higher planes which surround the Earth. Herein are those groups of entities which serve. If we can channel what is sensed all the better. But this is the way we are able to make a connection and then bring back what is learned. Of course our minds are in the way to a degree. This cannot be helped.

The solar system also has a body with chakras. The crown is the sun. The Earth is the solar plexus. Earth is not a "sacred planet". There is one in our system though. Saturn is our sacred globe. There are untold souls living here. They are not in physical form as one might easily surmise. Which systemic chakra is Saturn? This is an interesting question. Can we manage to speak of the solar system as a whole single entity engaged in purpose? At this moment I cannot but I am not channeling now either. It seems somewhat distant.

When I think of things like this I wonder what the Hindu teachings may have had to say. But care must be taken to not only read but to see the worlds as they are described. Clear vision is best gained when one can rise above cultural conditioners. I other words it is good to transcend sanskrit, for instance, when trying to determine the true nature of a thing. When words fail we are getting closer.


What do you think???

Thanks for responding... You should write more...

James
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Old 28-02-2019, 04:03 PM
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I am James. I am also a channel, a conscious channel. Bartholomew is my contact and has been my sole contact since about 1991. Before that time I was a more ordinary sensitive. When I write a post now I begin with an impulse then the rest is channeling. That's why I sign off as "Bartholomew".

Thanks for your replies. When I read I am reminded of the need to compensate for our imperfect minds. It is my belief that the Hindus are the holders of the oldest set of truths on Earth at this time. I remember too that all of we humans suffer from the same inability to properly codify higher realities. I try to position myself in a stance of selflessness believing that in this way the highest and best of channeled information will be available.

There is a sign that I have noted in channeling. During a session the ideas rush by and we try to record them before we forget. Later we read and it seems detached because the connection has faded a bit. Who wrote this? So then I can re read and repaid spelling and typos but changing something too much is more difficult because the awareness has returned to normal, whatever that is.

There are enough points of agreement in both our statements to serve as confirmations. You and I are not the same person after all nor have we had the same experineces nor are our vibes the same. Let's not forget the conditioning effects as given by astrological influences. I think of two men in different buildings looking out of windows at the same event. Perspective is a little different. So descriptions vary just a bit but not so much as to negate either.

The astral is a truly wondrous place. At the high end we find beauty and access to vistas of what seems to us to be ultimate truths. At the central areas are the feelings of everyday living. We are sustained. At the lower end are those things which are unique to the Earth. Here are those forms which find expression through people who are up to no good. Below that plane is the ethereal which also has divisions. When a higher entity plans to use the lower planes in order to bring a message or teaching to us he or she will use directed mind to rearrange the matter of the target plane and then likewise with the communication. All this then remains intact until it is removed. The form is usually ethereal and astral too using the appropriate sub plane energies. Just because we are in the astral does not mean we are in the lower parts where strange things happen.

We have chakras which give us points of connections to higher planes. As our bodies are thus constructed so is our planet. Earth is a body with chakras too. Our solar plexus for instance connects us the the solar plexus of the planet. Our crown, if it is adequately developed, allows us the ability to interact directly with the higher planes which surround the Earth. Herein are those groups of entities which serve. If we can channel what is sensed all the better. But this is the way we are able to make a connection and then bring back what is learned. Of course our minds are in the way to a degree. This cannot be helped.

The solar system also has a body with chakras. The crown is the sun. The Earth is the solar plexus. Earth is not a "sacred planet". There is one in our system though. Saturn is our sacred globe. There are untold souls living here. They are not in physical form as one might easily surmise. Which systemic chakra is Saturn? This is an interesting question. Can we manage to speak of the solar system as a whole single entity engaged in purpose? At this moment I cannot but I am not channeling now either. It seems somewhat distant.

When I think of things like this I wonder what the Hindu teachings may have had to say. But care must be taken to not only read but to see the worlds as they are described. Clear vision is best gained when one can rise above cultural conditioners. I other words it is good to transcend sanskrit, for instance, when trying to determine the true nature of a thing. When words fail we are getting closer.


What do you think???

Thanks for responding... You should write more...

James

Hi James,

I actually write quite a lot, not just on this forum, but some others as well, chiefly the One Truth, which is a small one, but with very active members.

I previously published a great deal of channelled information on Project Avalon but was kicked off that forum and banned forever. You will soon understand why.

My chief channel used to be Inanna, Sumerian goddess of Love and War. Her name means Queen of Heaven. She saved my life when I was going through a difficult Kundalini awakening and kept in contact ever since. I also channelled her group, known as the Anunnaki (sons of Anu) by the Sumerians and Elohim (sons of El, the sky god in each respective language) by the Hebrews. The alternative community believe them to be the epitome of evil (Think David Icke, Corey Goode, et al…), though I strongly disagree with that statement. They are in fact the God(s) of the Bible and the Quran, speaking in a collective voice, which is extremely beautiful. They share a collective mind and will usually talk to me in that collective mode.

It is interesting that you brought up Saturn. I was told by Inanna that it is in fact almost like the capital of the Solar System and they (the gods) are based there, specifically in orbit of Saturn. Of course in higher dimensions it looks very different from what we see in our own reality.

The famous hexagon on the North Pole of Saturn reminds me of the classical depictions of the Heart Chakra, which is usually shown as a Hexagram. That would suggest it is perhaps the Heart Chakra of the Solar System, though I can't be sure. I was also told that control of Saturn is what enables the gods to maintain control of the Solar System and to protect it from outside intrusion. They also use the Sun as a weapon, which is controlled by the Sun God (Utu in Sumerian), who has also visited me a few times.

I also find the selflessness to be important. I am mostly my own master now, but whichever deity I choose to interact with, they tend to come forward when I invoke them in service of others. They don't like to engage in trivial matters but when someone genuinely needs help, they're very keen to assist.

I don't do that much channelling any more, simply because I find words to have limited value. I usually do it for others when i feel they need some encouragement and reassurance from a higher power, but personally I just connect to source and get all the information I need directly, without the tedious constraints of language. I find that everything is about energy anyways, it is energetic connections I seek and linguistic communication is pretty unimportant to me in general.

Blessings,

Chris
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Old 28-02-2019, 10:42 PM
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Hi James,

I actually write quite a lot, not just on this forum, but some others as well, chiefly the One Truth, which is a small one, but with very active members.

I previously published a great deal of channelled information on Project Avalon but was kicked off that forum and banned forever. You will soon understand why.
I hope you do not get banished. You seem quite interesting. It's been my experience that those with high contacts can be more "difficult" than usual. Perhaps this is because it takes a long time to adjust. Some channeling is not easy.

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My chief channel used to be Inanna, Sumerian goddess of Love and War. Her name means Queen of Heaven. She saved my life when I was going through a difficult Kundalini awakening and kept in contact ever since. I also channelled her group, known as the Anunnaki (sons of Anu) by the Sumerians and Elohim (sons of El, the sky god in each respective language) by the Hebrews. The alternative community believe them to be the epitome of evil (Think David Icke, Corey Goode, et al…), though I strongly disagree with that statement. They are in fact the God(s) of the Bible and the Quran, speaking in a collective voice, which is extremely beautiful. They share a collective mind and will usually talk to me in that collective mode.


Yes I understand you. Few of us are aware that it is only here on a planet in physical form that a human has an individual mind. All those in post human living are in group formation. High beings are, in reality, large groups of lesser minds working in unison with common purpose. Indeed a study of the higher, esoteric, astrology will reveal much regarding the ways in which these groups function. Here I refer to their "chains of command" so to speak. Those rays of energies directed by the great ones and focused through constellations of stars (lesser great entities) whose duties include the dissemination of "that which is required".

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It is interesting that you brought up Saturn. I was told by Inanna that it is in fact almost like the capital of the Solar System and they (the gods) are based there, specifically in orbit of Saturn. Of course in higher dimensions it looks very different from what we see in our own reality.
I like the way these kinds of verifications seem to come along from other, like minded, folks. Of course it is all truth. Saturn is a "sacred planet". Yes... it is our systemic heart. It is occupied by great beings, in formation, who work as counterpoints to the great Lord of the system which is within our sun. Saturn is also the local representative in communication with those greater beings yet who are apparent only through their physical counterparts, the physical constellations which focus the sustaining rays of attribute through which we all receive the ability to function in the lower worlds (physical planets and their lower heavens). In other words Saturn is like a local power sub station working under directing of the master station, the sun. It's easy to see that there is no reason in the world for a human being to know about this. We have more immediate concerns and duties.
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The famous hexagon on the North Pole of Saturn reminds me of the classical depictions of the Heart Chakra, which is usually shown as a Hexagram. That would suggest it is perhaps the Heart Chakra of the Solar System, though I can't be sure. I was also told that control of Saturn is what enables the gods to maintain control of the Solar System and to protect it from outside intrusion. They also use the Sun as a weapon, which is controlled by the Sun God (Utu in Sumerian), who has also visited me a few times.
This statement seems to correlate the idea of lesser and greater gods working in single purpose. A local representation of the galactic center. I do not, however, agree with the idea of weapons and any need for protections. This is because those adversarial attributes which are often associated with human beings are found only in the lower heavens. Beyond, higher, than the lower mental plane it is quite impossible for any non harmonious vibes to exist. So perhaps yours is a reference to the lesser gods who are directly related to those who came to Earth long ago with a singular purpose but then rebelled and disobeyed??? I consider it likely.
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I also find the selflessness to be important. I am mostly my own master now, but whichever deity I choose to interact with, they tend to come forward when I invoke them in service of others. They don't like to engage in trivial matters but when someone genuinely needs help, they're very keen to assist.

I don't do that much channelling any more, simply because I find words to have limited value. I usually do it for others when i feel they need some encouragement and reassurance from a higher power, but personally I just connect to source and get all the information I need directly, without the tedious constraints of language. I find that everything is about energy anyways, it is energetic connections I seek and linguistic communication is pretty unimportant to me in general.

Blessings,

Chris

I have found that the ability to listen is the product of the mind which has learned spiritual silence.

Thanks for the very interesting exchange.


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I will be reading every green word on this thread, James
So far you are very clear.....I only read a little of the first one...going back now.
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Old 01-03-2019, 01:59 AM
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I will be reading every green word on this thread, James
So far you are very clear.....I only read a little of the first one...going back now.



Thanks Miss Hepburn (I am nearly 77 now and she was one of my movie favorites). Channeling is not easy although once a stream of thoughts begins it tends to be self sustaining. In either conscious or trance the physical brain through which information flows tends to shape and color what is received although in trance this effect is lessened. For instance the vocabulary of the channel is used. It may be large and eloquent or more limited. This matters. I notice that after I channel I reread and the feeling that was present is now gone. It's like the magic is turned off. This is why it is so very essential that a channel be unbiased and impartial.

I say this, although you probably know it already, in order to emphasize the possibility of misinterpretations of data. It is so often the human mind that is guilty of degrading high truths. So.... read the work of others but reserve to yourself the authority to modify and to judge what appears. None of us is more capable than any other in this regard. It is not smart to judge a soul by it's Earthly expression. I have a feeling you know this better than I.

I wish that we all could understand that creation and evolution are very compatible. First one then the other. Teamwork! I wish we could realize that it is not creation but the scriptural representation of creation that causes disagreement between science and religion. But.... we humans have the curious habit of thinking in separative terms. This is no doubt caused by the very nature of the lower spiritual waters in which we swim.

OH.... Green in an aura generally denotes growth so I like to use a green font color in recognition of it's importance.

Thanks for the comment and please help to flesh out the topic with your thoughts.

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