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Old 23-02-2020, 05:06 AM
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The unfortunate fake (upon ourselves) is allowing ourselves to be fooled into presuming that what we want is NOT available...instead of understanding that what you want has always been vibrationally available to experience (and this is the point) EVEN BEFORE YOU SEE IT!

It's just on a different channel of YOUR OWN experience...waiting for you to tune into it....NOW. If this were NOT true, you could not imagine it (see it as an "eye"-dea" in the first place). Your power is not based on a law of attracting what is not visible to your eyes (faking it), but is based on the law of vibrationally aligning to what is ALWAYS available and WAITING for you to do so with the eye-deas of your IMAGINATION.

I was about to respond the what you said earlier but you edited it out of your post.what you had said was "Think about it. What is erroneously called "faking it" can only come from a perspective generated by not knowing that the non-preferred situation and the preferred situation...exist side by side AT THE SAME TIME....awaiting our OWN CHOICE to align OURSELVES to the preferred situation!"

Fake it till you make it is neither erroneous or unfortunate its a legitimate technique that is the basis for cognitive behavioral therapy. unless you are enlightened, done all the shadow ego work the op is talking about and free of the trappings of the mind there will be times that you are incapable of making that preferred choice even if you know that choice is available to experience, even if you know all things are possible becuase the minds gotten the better of you. also if you live in the dual world there will always be lows after each high. fake it till yo make it is a way to program the mind despite the inevitable lows. its a way to align yourself vibrationaly if you want to use that word with the situation you are seeking despite negative current circumstances as it described in the quotes i posted. i think its not always as simple as choosing to align ourselves to the prefered situation, if only it were that easy. hope that clears up the misunderstanding of fake it till you make it.
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Old 23-02-2020, 02:53 PM
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Law of attraction is faking it until you make it really works?

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Richer Morin,

I like your approach, which is very similar to what I've come to know and practice. As a matter of fact, the subject of your thread used to bother me greatly, until I finally understood the following, from the 1st reference:

You are already that which you want to be, and your refusal to believe this is the only reason you do not see it. To seek on the outside for that which you do not feel you are is to seek in vain, for we never find that which we want; we find only that which we are. And also: What you feel you are always dominates what you feel you would like to be; therefore, to be realized, the wish must be felt as a state that is rather than a state that is not.


And this is why! (See 2nd reference)

There are infinite versions of reality. There are infinite parallel realities, and they are all equally "real", though you experience only 1 version at any given moment. Shifting from one version to another is not really that unnatural or difficult, since you are doing it all the time anyway - billions of times every second. So it's not so much a matter of"making it happen". It's more a matter of directing or "steering" which parallel reality you shift into - at any moment. Shifting parallel realities is akin to films changing still-pictures 24 times per second, or video changing still-pictures 25 or 30 times per second. It happens so fast, that it creates the illusion of smooth continuous motion. When you shift to another version of reality, you become the "you" that already existed in that version. And the "you" in the version you just left, is still "real" and still "there".

Since EVERYTHING is CONSCIOUSNESS, and Since YOU are EVERYTHING.


Why is this so important?

Think about it. We've been taught to pay more credence to what we see with our physical eyes than what the IMAGINATION sees with its eye-deas! So we mistakenly fall into the trap of remaining blinded by what our physical eyes reflect...instead of understanding that the real power to change what our physical eyes see comes from reflecting eye-deas in your IMAGINATION. The unfortunate fake (upon ourselves) is allowing ourselves to be fooled into presuming that what we want is NOT available...instead of understanding that what you want has always been vibrationally available to experience (and this is the point) EVEN BEFORE YOU SEE IT!

It's just on a different channel of YOUR OWN experience...waiting for you to tune into it....NOW. If this were NOT true, you could not imagine it (see it as an "eye"-dea" in the first place). Your power is not based on a law of attracting what is not visible to your eyes (faking it), but is based on the law of vibrationally aligning to what is ALWAYS available and WAITING for you to do so with the eye-deas of your IMAGINATION. (see the "radio" and "frequency match" analogies in the 2nd reference).

Don't believe me? How did you get the idea that caused you to post it as this thread? You saw it vibrationally in your imagination your mind's eye)...THEN you chose to experience it AS this post. You chose the channel you're on (this thread)...and so did we! And different versions of us...did not! But ALL the versions exist now to choose. Experiencing this thread is not 'fake" is it? Well, neither are the versions of us that chose to experience something else, besides respond to this post.

What if another version of you had chosen to NOT initiate the imaginative act that resulted in us experiencing YOUR choice with you? Then you would not be reading this response to your post, because I would not have seen it in the first place!!

Infinite parallel realities, and they are all equally "real"!

Do you see?

Hope this, and the following references below, help you "change the channel" to enjoy EVERYTHING THAT IS WAITING FOR YOU TO TUNE INTO...now!

Reference: http://www.feelingisthesecret.org/ Feeling is the Secret

Reference: https://iasos.com/metaphys/bashar/#shift

Reference: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...9&postcount=78 Changing the IMPRESS-ion results in Changing the EXPRESS-ion

Reference: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...9&postcount=19 How is it possible to know your future?

All,

I forgot to say the most important aspect of this realization:

There are infinite versions of reality. There are infinite parallel realities, and they are all equally "real", though you experience only 1 version at any given moment. Shifting from one version to another is not really that unnatural or difficult, since you are doing it all the time anyway - billions of times every second. So it's not so much a matter of"making it happen". It's more a matter of directing or "steering" which parallel reality you shift into - at any moment. Shifting parallel realities is akin to films changing still-pictures 24 times per second, or video changing still-pictures 25 or 30 times per second. It happens so fast, that it creates the illusion of smooth continuous motion. When you shift to another version of reality, you become the "you" that already existed in that version. And the "you" in the version you just left, is still "real" and still "there". Since EVERYTHING is CONSCIOUSNESS, and Since YOU are EVERYTHING.

...and that is: If you truly understand that "all versions are equally real" and "you are shifting among them all the time anyway" references above, then you will "grok" that applying artificial limitations of CALENDARS and CLOCKS upon "infinite, equally real versions of you" is literally impossible,

.....but you can be fooled (taught) to act as if it is possible, do you see?

....hence the perennial problem of powerlessness we've erroneously accepted as truth all our lives.

Think about it! Isn't it obvious that what you desire is NOW already yours, among all versions of you being equally real???

So why not enjoy ALL the NOWs of you...NOW!!

You're ALREADY living AS them all anyway, now, right??

So "switch the flip" (yes, that's right!) to the ALL position in YOU!!...

Reference: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...2&postcount=68 Guess What Day It Is
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“Why, that’s true! I am a perfect, unlimited gull!” Jonathan opened his eyes asking, "Where are we?” The Elder Chiang said, “We’re on some planet with a green sky and a double star for a sun.” Jonathan made a scree of delight. “IT WORKS!" “Well, of course it works, Jon,” said Chiang. “It always works, when you know what you’re doing." (and even when you don't)
http://csermelyblog.tehetsegpont.hu/...ir%C3%A1ly.pdf
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Old 23-02-2020, 03:49 PM
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Law of attraction is faking it until you make it really works?

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I was about to respond the what you said earlier but you edited it out of your post.what you had said was "Think about it. What is erroneously called "faking it" can only come from a perspective generated by not knowing that the non-preferred situation and the preferred situation...exist side by side AT THE SAME TIME....awaiting our OWN CHOICE to align OURSELVES to the preferred situation!"

Fake it till you make it is neither erroneous or unfortunate its a legitimate technique that is the basis for cognitive behavioral therapy. unless you are enlightened, done all the shadow ego work the op is talking about and free of the trappings of the mind there will be times that you are incapable of making that preferred choice even if you know that choice is available to experience, even if you know all things are possible becuase the minds gotten the better of you. also if you live in the dual world there will always be lows after each high. fake it till yo make it is a way to program the mind despite the inevitable lows. its a way to align yourself vibrationaly if you want to use that word with the situation you are seeking despite negative current circumstances as it described in the quotes i posted. i think its not always as simple as choosing to align ourselves to the prefered situation, if only it were that easy. hope that clears up the misunderstanding of fake it till you make it.

FrankS,

A hearty welcome to Spiritual Forums (I'm glad for the edit capability)

..."faking" it is choosing to perpetuate the perception that one's choices do NOT include entirely removing the offending perception. The use of "placebo" technique applied in your NLP example to provide temporarily induced change (i.e. fake) comes to mind, as a substitution for real change.

"i think its not always as simple as choosing to align ourselves to the prefered situation, if only it were that easy."

...is exactly such a perception, for you while one chooses to hold it.

Though the opportunity to make other choices, with their attendant consequences (i.e. freedom to experience other) is a decision (different version of one's self) away...at the same time.

We determine, with our OWN choices, which version of ourselves gets activated.

If this were not true, you would be unable to realize that your coming to the conclusions you espouse, above, are just as malleable as the thought processes that preceded it.......until you chose to change it.

It is your own choice to espouse what you've chosen to post, and would equally be so if you chose to espouse anything else that applies in your experience.

...as it would be in mine. That's the idea, in my view, that "infinite versions of reality (and self)" have come to mean...for me.

Learning anew or erroneously occurs due to the shifting from one version of self to another, whether we chose to understand it as occurring, or not.

There is no faking the immediacy and availability of infinite choice to each and all of us, but we can (and do) fool ourselves....

....hence we don't fake it till we make it, we just fake believing that we are "making it", to our own chagrin....until we learn to "switch the flip", as mentioned in my earlier post....
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“Why, that’s true! I am a perfect, unlimited gull!” Jonathan opened his eyes asking, "Where are we?” The Elder Chiang said, “We’re on some planet with a green sky and a double star for a sun.” Jonathan made a scree of delight. “IT WORKS!" “Well, of course it works, Jon,” said Chiang. “It always works, when you know what you’re doing." (and even when you don't)
http://csermelyblog.tehetsegpont.hu/...ir%C3%A1ly.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COt1n3jDqA&t=19s

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Old 23-02-2020, 06:34 PM
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FrankS,

A hearty welcome to Spiritual Forums (I'm glad for the edit capability)

..."faking" it is choosing to perpetuate the perception that one's choices do NOT include entirely removing the offending perception. The use of "placebo" technique applied in your NLP example to provide temporarily induced change (i.e. fake) comes to mind, as a substitution for real change.


Thanks for the hearty welcome and cool theory you have about the multiple versions of ourselves. about placebo havent there been studies that showed actual real permanent change such as a healing. Fake it till you make it "echoes the underlying principles of cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT)". CBT has been shown to be successful and promotes real permanent change.

psychcentral.com "Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) is a short-term, goal-oriented psychotherapy treatment that takes a hands-on, practical approach to problem-solving. Its goal is to change patterns of thinking or behavior that are behind people's difficulties, and so change the way they feel."

and isnt feeling the secret ;) I could elaborate more but i think ill leave it here. I can only speak of what has worked for me and fake it till you make it has been my secret sauce your mileage may vary.
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Old 23-02-2020, 07:24 PM
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FrankS,

Feeling IS the secret sauce.... as mentioned my original post to Richer Morin.

WE WERE BORN THIS WAY.
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“Why, that’s true! I am a perfect, unlimited gull!” Jonathan opened his eyes asking, "Where are we?” The Elder Chiang said, “We’re on some planet with a green sky and a double star for a sun.” Jonathan made a scree of delight. “IT WORKS!" “Well, of course it works, Jon,” said Chiang. “It always works, when you know what you’re doing." (and even when you don't)
http://csermelyblog.tehetsegpont.hu/...ir%C3%A1ly.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COt1n3jDqA&t=19s

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