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Old 26-06-2019, 01:31 PM
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JustBe . . .

I tend to avoid claiming where I “am” on the Path. That most often leads to others taking potshots at me just for that reason and getting me involved in discussions / etc. that I do not wish to get involved in.

I will say . . . that I could not make such distinctions as those above unless I had the personal experience to make them in the first place.

The mind resolves a lot of “unanswerable questions” by using and accepting vague words . . . so mind doesn’t have to come to any firm conclusions. Mind can accept that it is “there” without having any idea where “there” is. The word “nothing” . . . is one of those words. The statement of “just be” is another. There are many more.

The step from the very top of the mental worlds ( the psychic worlds ) . . . on through the various barriers . . . and into the true spiritual worlds where the true home of Soul Itself is . . . that step is as monumental and as life-changing as struggling through countless lifetimes and finally coming to terms with the principle that “All answers lie within.” Finally drawing that conclusion through personal experience puts one in an entirely different ballpark . . . or playing field . . . or section of the Path . . . however one wishes to term it. Until that phase is entered . . . one always blames the outside world for all events and happenings. One lives for poetically countless lifetimes before finally taking the step towards all being within.

The step from the psychic worlds into the spiritual worlds is much the same. Mercifully . . . and thankfully . . . there are signposts . . . but most are overlooked unless one takes this step in the company of someone who has already been there and knows the determinations involved. Once there . . . and finally recognizing where one “is” . . . the signposts are easy to discern.

Most people who claim to have been there . . . haven’t . . . but the mind has told them they were . . . or are.

This step into the true spiritual worlds is one of the toughest to take . . . if for no other reason . . . than the beliefs / expectations / perspectives that the individual is still holding onto as it “sits” at the top of the mental worlds . . . those beliefs are wholly core to that individual. Those beliefs are the ones held to firmly all the way through all preliminary processes. They do not give up easily. Those core mental beliefs . . . have been “us” . . . for eons.

I have enjoyed your posts and have read many of them. You are one of those that I do not wish to engage in some kind of “debate” with. You are at a fabulous place. Where you go from here is up to your own personal efforts and willingness to take risks.

Sorry for being so evasive . . . and I wish you nothing but the best.
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Old 26-06-2019, 11:44 PM
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This is very interesting. I have nothing to do with the sun shining every day...it just does and I am grateful to God that it does.

The sun will always shine no matter how many clouds are covering it...how many days it rains and then we get wet...I am just happy I don't have to water my garden for a while.

I have tried "creating my reality" before, until my subconscious mind got in the way pretending to be my ego (it is very good at doing that).

Thus, I internalised the external and became co-existent with everything, yet unique in this expression of the awareness.

Two different ways of looking at the same thing...cool.

Yep, there are some things we don’t control and nature is a great way to show us how to just be and move as we are and know. All the same, in creating a reality for myself, it’s my choice to get up, go outside and enjoy the sun all the same. If I have a choice and ability, that is. Otherwise I could choose to lay in bed all day..hehe
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Old 27-06-2019, 12:58 AM
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JustBe . . .

I tend to avoid claiming where I “am” on the Path. That most often leads to others taking potshots at me just for that reason and getting me involved in discussions / etc. that I do not wish to get involved in.

I will say . . . that I could not make such distinctions as those above unless I had the personal experience to make them in the first place.

The mind resolves a lot of “unanswerable questions” by using and accepting vague words . . . so mind doesn’t have to come to any firm conclusions. Mind can accept that it is “there” without having any idea where “there” is. The word “nothing” . . . is one of those words. The statement of “just be” is another. There are many more.

The step from the very top of the mental worlds ( the psychic worlds ) . . . on through the various barriers . . . and into the true spiritual worlds where the true home of Soul Itself is . . . that step is as monumental and as life-changing as struggling through countless lifetimes and finally coming to terms with the principle that “All answers lie within.” Finally drawing that conclusion through personal experience puts one in an entirely different ballpark . . . or playing field . . . or section of the Path . . . however one wishes to term it. Until that phase is entered . . . one always blames the outside world for all events and happenings. One lives for poetically countless lifetimes before finally taking the step towards all being within.

The step from the psychic worlds into the spiritual worlds is much the same. Mercifully . . . and thankfully . . . there are signposts . . . but most are overlooked unless one takes this step in the company of someone who has already been there and knows the determinations involved. Once there . . . and finally recognizing where one “is” . . . the signposts are easy to discern.

Most people who claim to have been there . . . haven’t . . . but the mind has told them they were . . . or are.

This step into the true spiritual worlds is one of the toughest to take . . . if for no other reason . . . than the beliefs / expectations / perspectives that the individual is still holding onto as it “sits” at the top of the mental worlds . . . those beliefs are wholly core to that individual. Those beliefs are the ones held to firmly all the way through all preliminary processes. They do not give up easily. Those core mental beliefs . . . have been “us” . . . for eons.

I have enjoyed your posts and have read many of them. You are one of those that I do not wish to engage in some kind of “debate” with. You are at a fabulous place. Where you go from here is up to your own personal efforts and willingness to take risks.

Sorry for being so evasive . . . and I wish you nothing but the best.


Potshots are good teachers and we have choice where we are to choose what is best for ourselves, but yes I hear you.

Sharing is something I tend to just do without expectations in how others might respond, behave towards me. I think it comes from that natural inner call to connect/create in some way of my being. I suppose it comes from my joyful place, so I just let it land and be. I feel happy to be able to express and share. Clarity of being is important in me now, so most often I’m expressing from a more realised aware clear place in me. This place has no outer influences. It simply derived from my true self continuously deepening into more understandings and realisations.

I understand what your saying all the same. My personal experience understands its own process and relationship to my use of such terms as nothing or nothingness. My user name chosen because I’ve arrived to this awareness in myself. It fits me in some way.

I have a friend who I journey with very closely and just last night, he read what I wrote here and shared that for him reading, it’s very deep. He also shared that because his experience/s as yet haven’t opened this door of understanding, it’s difficult for him to grasp the understanding in the depth of it. I replied, that sometimes what each of us go through, experience on the spiritual path, even as they may differ, not connect directly, their is always opportunities to just be with it, exactly where you can be. So his feeling was important in my awareness and process, my story less so. Resonation in feeling can transpire into experiences quite effortlessly, as I’ve learned. We open in some way and then life flows in, for you your way. You find your own personal experience and realize your own way.

What you shared through those processors fits my experiences to open as I have. It all makes perfect sense as someone who understands her own process and revealing. It was nice to read it as you described, so thankyou, through your words I’m resonating in my being.

Letting go of everything and opening my mind beyond everything, entering that emptiness/nothingness in my being, has gifted me to integrate all this, as a new life, new creation, fresh eyes, renewed inner being. The world through these eyes and feelings now, looks very bright.

It’s enough. The rest is icing on the cake.

Risks, yes. Well I call them leaps of faith. I’m taking them now. A whole new world, a whole new earth, a whole new me.

Thankyou again
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Old 27-06-2019, 01:04 AM
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Yep, there are some things we don’t control and nature is a great way to show us how to just be and move as we are and know. All the same, in creating a reality for myself, it’s my choice to get up, go outside and enjoy the sun all the same. If I have a choice and ability, that is. Otherwise I could choose to lay in bed all day..hehe
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Old 27-06-2019, 06:16 PM
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JustBe . . .

I totally agree. Sharing . . . assisting . . . demonstrating . . . promoting . . . all of that . . . is vital. It is immensely important. For the most part . . . I try to explain to people what they often are not ready to hear . . . or do not wish to hear. I often wonder . . . “Maybe they will listen THIS time . . . “ . . . only to find out they do not. There is a precept in the old texts . . . Truth is never revealed to the masses, nor to the few. That does NOT mean it isn’t available to all at all times. Greater Truth is offered to each as that individual is ready to accept it . . . or at least heavily consider it. Greater Truth is NOT simply handed out haphazardly. For lots of reasons . . . and for the most part . . . people are not ready to accept Greater Truth at a very high level. They are still juggling the difference between appearance and reality. That issue is VERY slow to resolve.

An example . . . a hypothetical one . . .

Let’s just say . . . that I am a master in basic addition. Hypothetically . . . I am well versed in basic addition and can juggle numbers easily. I can add columns of 3+12+135+1357=1507 easily. I understand it. Hypothetically I use it daily.

Now I meet someone and begin to talk about basic addition. This person can add endless equations of numbers but they can only be single digits. They have no trouble in adding 2+3+4+5+6+7+8+7+6=48. They are fabulous at this. I mention . . . why don’t you begin to use two digit numbers . . . like . . . 15 . . . or 39. After the blood comes back into the other person’s face . . . you will meet with nothing but scorn and avoidance in dealing with a simple expansion of the same principle . . . which . . . in reality . . . is the basis for most all expansion into Greater Truth. One truth builds on the previous discovery. One builds upon what one already at least believes . . . then knows. People simply are not ready to move beyond where they “are” . . . and it makes no sense to think less of them. The act of personal unfolding into Reality is an endless adventure.

So if I see people talking about a simplified level of whatever the topic is . . . it makes NO sense to try to nudge someone forward in it all. The act of discernment comes in trying to keep my eye open for those that *seem* to be ready to learn more. Sometimes I am right . . . sometimes I am wrong. So . . . I tend to ask questions to better discern.

But one thing I believe we can agree upon . . . it is wonderful to share to those who are open. To those who are ready. So many people believe that we are just wandering along and gathering tidbits of “stuff” and will learn and “get there” as we meander along. In a sense . . . that is true . . . but the prerequisites that need to be learn as demanded by LIFE in order to learn this-or-that . . . an individual will be given a true advancement only after the prerequisites are learned . . . and LIFE does not allow for people to slide into the 5th grade with only a mediocre 4th grade education. Doesn’t work that way. I don’t write the rules. People would be astounded what the prerequisites are in even the most simple of things . . . or beliefs. This whole design of Existence is laid out because . . . it works.

Lastly . . . one of the highest joys of finding someone who will listen . . . is for THEIR advancement. By the time one gets to the far reaches of the Path . . . one had a deep, deep idea of what it takes to move forward. When someone is met and is ready for that . . . and does indeed move forward . . . the joy is mostly for THEIR advancement . . . for THEIR discovery. The teacher . . . ( so to speak ) . . . doesn’t really get “points” out of showing someone else the next step to take. It is the student that truly gains . . . and that is more than enough.

Endless other threads could be started on many points here. Who would want them? But in any event . . . it is always interesting to watch.

( I know this is long. To those that demand that the above be explained in 20 words or less . . . I apologize. )
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Old 27-06-2019, 06:32 PM
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Control . . . is a paradox. We have control . . . and yet we do not.

In fact . . . one of the pitfalls of the human state of consciousness / mental levels is its demand that things all resolve into either / or . . . right or wrong / left or right / black or white / yes or no / etc. Consider . . . how many real issues of LIFE can be resolved into one extreme or the other . . . all the way to one side or the other.

Not many.

It is the fact that most issues are simply shades of grey . . . but the mind wants to categorize things . . . so it has a very tough time in holding onto 98 shades of grey and where to put each issue. As taught in the higher teachings . . . there are 360 viewpoints on just about any issue or belief or whatever. Those should be tough to sort out. Yes . . . it would be simple enough to come up with the position of 90 degrees . . . and off 180 and of 270 and of 360. When one starts to try and discern between degree 135 and 137 . . . that gets tough. Mind would probably love to take that on. I don’t.

But . . . control.

Let’s say . . . 50 lifetimes ago . . . we murdered someone. So here we are . . . just about to enter into lifetime #50 . . . and we are told that it is during this lifetime that we will balance out this karmic issue. HOW that will be balanced out . . . is NOT up to us. The real control came just moments before we committed the murder. If we carry that out . . . there WILL be balance . . . eventually . . . and in that we have little control.

Expand that endlessly . . . into all that happens to us. We carry possibilities into each lifetime . . . and more importantly . . . our present actions that might lead to new karmic implications. That we must resolve old issues . . . is mandatory. That we involve ourselves in new experiences that will demand later “negative” balance . . . is not. There is choice.

As many have stated in other threads . . . it is not what happens to us . . . but how we react to what happens to us.

And on it goes.

( Again . . . I went over the 20 word limit. Sorry. )

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Old 27-06-2019, 06:53 PM
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I do believe that the whole world is the matrix, an illusion pulled over our eyes to keep us in a dormant state, the ego is our first enemy and one of the most powerful, this is like the first step one needs to take in order to see behind the ilussion.All the temptations come through the ego and when you became aware of it, then the battle becomes harder, it's like you are in the middle of a tornado.It's easy to be the slave of the ego but when you became aware that you are its slave, you are aware of almost every single action and you start to see that most of the things you do or say are not really representing the real You.

Matthew 16:24 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

I found out that one of the best way to counteract your ego is to ask the question:Why? Why to do something, why.

I give you some simple example:

EGO: Go watch some porn.
YOU: Why?
EGO: It will make you to feel good.
YOU: Why?
EGO: It takes the pain away and brings pleasure, you forget about your problems.
YOU: Why?

EGO: Go buy that expensive computer.
YOU: Why?
EGO: To play the most recent games.
YOU: Why?
EGO: You forget about your problems and enjoy good time playing those amazing games.
YOU: Why?

And the conversation goes on and on untill the ego has no more answers, just give it a try and you will see your mind how it tries to make you do a certain thing.You see, in the end it all comes to running from the truth and the truth is that you don't need to do or to say a single thing that comes from the ego because it never helps, you always end up in the same situation, repeating the same experiences again and again, of course, not being aware of this trick.

I am at the point where I battle the ego, sometimes I win and sometimes I lose but I am aware that my actions and my decisions are not really "mine", with easy steps I am getting closer and closer to when I will be able to completely deny my own self.
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Old 27-06-2019, 10:10 PM
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Yep, there are some things we don’t control and nature is a great way to show us how to just be and move as we are and know. All the same, in creating a reality for myself, it’s my choice to get up, go outside and enjoy the sun all the same. If I have a choice and ability, that is. Otherwise I could choose to lay in bed all day..hehe

There are things we don't control, but perhaps it is because we have chosen not to. By allowing things within our created reality that we do not control, we exercise a different kind of control over ourselves. In releasing our control, we in effect allow ourselves to experience a reality that we could not create for ourselves, one shared with others, we become co-creators, our realities become entangled. After all, nobody likes a control freak! Just be and let be, just so we can be together.
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Old 27-06-2019, 11:19 PM
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JustBe . . .

I totally agree. Sharing . . . assisting . . . demonstrating . . . promoting . . . all of that . . . is vital. It is immensely important. For the most part . . . I try to explain to people what they often are not ready to hear . . . or do not wish to hear. I often wonder . . . “Maybe they will listen THIS time . . . “ . . . only to find out they do not. There is a precept in the old texts . . . Truth is never revealed to the masses, nor to the few. That does NOT mean it isn’t available to all at all times. Greater Truth is offered to each as that individual is ready to accept it . . . or at least heavily consider it. Greater Truth is NOT simply handed out haphazardly. For lots of reasons . . . and for the most part . . . people are not ready to accept Greater Truth at a very high level. They are still juggling the difference between appearance and reality. That issue is VERY slow to resolve.

An example . . . a hypothetical one . . .

Let’s just say . . . that I am a master in basic addition. Hypothetically . . . I am well versed in basic addition and can juggle numbers easily. I can add columns of 3+12+135+1357=1507 easily. I understand it. Hypothetically I use it daily.

Now I meet someone and begin to talk about basic addition. This person can add endless equations of numbers but they can only be single digits. They have no trouble in adding 2+3+4+5+6+7+8+7+6=48. They are fabulous at this. I mention . . . why don’t you begin to use two digit numbers . . . like . . . 15 . . . or 39. After the blood comes back into the other person’s face . . . you will meet with nothing but scorn and avoidance in dealing with a simple expansion of the same principle . . . which . . . in reality . . . is the basis for most all expansion into Greater Truth. One truth builds on the previous discovery. One builds upon what one already at least believes . . . then knows. People simply are not ready to move beyond where they “are” . . . and it makes no sense to think less of them. The act of personal unfolding into Reality is an endless adventure.

So if I see people talking about a simplified level of whatever the topic is . . . it makes NO sense to try to nudge someone forward in it all. The act of discernment comes in trying to keep my eye open for those that *seem* to be ready to learn more. Sometimes I am right . . . sometimes I am wrong. So . . . I tend to ask questions to better discern.

But one thing I believe we can agree upon . . . it is wonderful to share to those who are open. To those who are ready. So many people believe that we are just wandering along and gathering tidbits of “stuff” and will learn and “get there” as we meander along. In a sense . . . that is true . . . but the prerequisites that need to be learn as demanded by LIFE in order to learn this-or-that . . . an individual will be given a true advancement only after the prerequisites are learned . . . and LIFE does not allow for people to slide into the 5th grade with only a mediocre 4th grade education. Doesn’t work that way. I don’t write the rules. People would be astounded what the prerequisites are in even the most simple of things . . . or beliefs. This whole design of Existence is laid out because . . . it works.

Lastly . . . one of the highest joys of finding someone who will listen . . . is for THEIR advancement. By the time one gets to the far reaches of the Path . . . one had a deep, deep idea of what it takes to move forward. When someone is met and is ready for that . . . and does indeed move forward . . . the joy is mostly for THEIR advancement . . . for THEIR discovery. The teacher . . . ( so to speak ) . . . doesn’t really get “points” out of showing someone else the next step to take. It is the student that truly gains . . . and that is more than enough.

Endless other threads could be started on many points here. Who would want them? But in any event . . . it is always interesting to watch.

( I know this is long. To those that demand that the above be explained in 20 words or less . . . I apologize. )

Thankyou.

Everything is timing, awareness and readiness. I’ve learned to trust in others process as I have for my own.

I think reaching the point of ‘feeling’ connected’ and just sharing for no other reason,than my own joy of being me as a creator, is very freeing. That ‘no need’ ‘no desire’ and intuitive flow, bridges a wonderful feeling and seeing without any expectations. This too is very liberating.

An openness and open state that flows effortlessly. I love writing so this little haven allows for my creative expression in this way. Add to this my realisations and spiritual insights and I’m a match made in heaven.. haha.

I’ll be back to respond some more. Life calls me.
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Old 28-06-2019, 02:33 PM
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ThatMan . . .

I have often considered starting a thread on being a slave to our beliefs. What you say here is quite true. We ARE a slave to our *old* beliefs. We can begin to revise them at any time . . . but two questions always haunt us . . . how do we really give up a strong belief we have held for a long time . . . and what do we replace it with . . . if anything.

“Belief” is a word that has been totally perverted by society and the human state of consciousness / mind. To give up all beliefs leaves one a zombie. It actually cannot be done. But beliefs resolve into knowingness . . . and knowingness resolves into understanding.

Mind will tell you that it can both “know” and “understand.” It can’t . . . in the worlds beyond itself. And mind . . . like the physical body . . . has almost a life of its own . . . in that when the individual begins to understand what the mind is in relation to Soul Itself . . . in that mind is not Soul and Soul is not mind . . . and then that individual begins to show a real interest in moving beyond the mind . . . mind . . . as an almost distinguishable entity of its own . . . is fully capable of launching intense warfare on the individual to maintain the control that mind had held and lived from for many, many eons. Mind . . . will NOT give up easily.

“Ego” is another of those words that has been totally perverted. Ego is simply the sense of “I-ness” as opposed to the presence or “I-ness” of another individual. Ego has been warped into that which is any passion, desire, or belief of the individual. That isn’t quite true . . . but takes a long time to resolve. Again . . . a paradox. Ego needs to be tamed and understood rather than killed or destroyed. Since Soul Itself is an individual entity . . . one never seems to lose the “I-ness” of moving within Existence . . . or simply being present within Existence . . . depending on where one “is.”

ThatMan . . . please consider . . . that if you “battle” the ego . . . you give it just as much energy as you do it you simply cater to and promote it. You cannot fight against mind. That’s why negation rarely if ever works. There are other ways to go about it. These ways are not openly taught . . . nor will they ever be highly promoted. One must uncover and begin to use them in a quiet, passionate . . . yet committed way.

On we go.
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