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Old 13-05-2019, 07:12 PM
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Why identify at all?

Because we have no choice. Identification is where our level of consciousness naturally rests. For most people in incarnation, consciousness naturally rests in form, for the rare few, consciousness rests in formlessness.

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Old 13-05-2019, 07:31 PM
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Allow me to fill that in :)
Illusion is a concept about imagination, just like so many other spiritual abstract concepts..

There is no “illusion”. What we see, taste, smell is real. There is more, BUT that doesn’t make THIS reality any less real! If you jump off a tower you will die no matter how hard you believe you can fly. We don’t live in a matrix. I have heard of some people who believe this (usually on drugs) do such things and they end up dead..

Another way to consider this is that everything is real on its own level but it may be an illusion when considered from a higher level.

So if we bang our head then it hurts and the pain is real while it lasts. But the pain is temporary and is confined to the physical body, and so it is an illusion from a greater perspective.

As an alternative to the idea of maya, usually translated as illusion, we could use the word mithya meaning a relative reality.

Peace.
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Old 14-05-2019, 12:48 AM
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Another way to consider this is that everything is real on its own level but it may be an illusion when considered from a higher level.


I agree...
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Old 14-05-2019, 06:05 AM
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Because we have no choice. Identification is where our level of consciousness naturally rests. For most people in incarnation, consciousness naturally rests in form, for the rare few, consciousness rests in formlessness.

Peace.

It's a pity that it's a rare few, isn't it? Hopefully there'll be more and more

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Old 14-05-2019, 07:17 AM
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It doesn't exist If you are sleeping.

How do you mean sleeping?

What is referred too as deep sleep or when one's body rests at night?

Deep sleep there is always awareness of I AM .

When the body rests at night one's mindful spirit is always conscious of oneself it's just that most don't remember being so.

Some do become aware of being conscious OBE as have I.


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Old 14-05-2019, 07:25 AM
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Another way to consider this is that everything is real on its own level but it may be an illusion when considered from a higher level.

So if we bang our head then it hurts and the pain is real while it lasts. But the pain is temporary and is confined to the physical body, and so it is an illusion from a greater perspective.

As an alternative to the idea of maya, usually translated as illusion, we could use the word mithya meaning a relative reality.

Peace.

I am always an advocate of keeping platforms and dimensions in there own laws of creation .

This is why what is physical isn't physical in the world of spirit for examples sake .

The tree in the physical is not governed by the same laws as the tree in the world of spirit is and yet they are both trees within experience .

It could be said from each planes perspective that the other is illusory but all that reflects is a comparison of what things are like from different realities .

This is why no self beyond mind cannot be compared to self of the mind .

These comparisons don't work, they were never mean't to be compared in such a way where the person gets tarred with the illusory brush .



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Old 14-05-2019, 01:21 PM
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iamthat and janielee . . .

Please explain to the post / thread . . .

“consciousness rests in the formlessness”

I agree . . . so there is no contention here. But . . . to and for those that might not understand what this “formlessness” might be . . . please provide some degree of definition or guidelines. And yes . . . it *can* be so described . . . at least to the point where one can get a good yet vague realization of it.

So . . . what is . . . this formlessness . . . or . . . are you suggesting that it is a complete empty void in which there is nothing . . . form . . . formless . . . or any other recognizable feature or non-feature?
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Old 14-05-2019, 01:50 PM
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Find the real.
Then you can sort out illusion.
Until one touches the real they will believe the illusion is the real.
I believe many call it awakening.
Words can be a barrier.
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Old 14-05-2019, 02:08 PM
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seeing through the illusory self

Seeing ... looking, observing ... the pristinity necessarily excluding memory drawn imagery, preconceptions, ideas, beliefs ...

Getting to such an orientation, presence observing ... akin to meditating!

As for illusory self ... it is judgment to so judge without knowing, is it not?

Assume nothing.

Just being ... still enough ... long enough and we know. A knowing requiring no validation.

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Old 14-05-2019, 03:27 PM
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[color=Black]BUT that doesn’t make THIS reality any less real!
It makes only a difference in how we react to them.
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