Kundalini is not what you think it is

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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Hi jenriggs,

Thanks for sharing the experience. In as far as I can make out, there was a positive aspect to the ‘awakening’ followed by negativity after which, by employing free will your husband exited.

Once our vibrations are raised it is unlikely that entity attachments can occur unless there is an internal misalignment by way of fear or desire. Yet, who’s to say?

Instead of viewing the kundalini as something external to ourselves, if we view it as Divine energy ... the potential becoming kinetic ... the Shakti aspect of Shiva, if symbols can be used ... as our own consciousness awakening within the body, then we simply witness the blossoming or we may say unveiling of our awareness which always was and always is.

Rather than assigning the aspects of rage or negativity to an entity or fallen angel or any such alien being, perhaps it was simply your husbands own subconscious ferality manifesting for being cleansed.

No judgments here ... you know best what you have experienced. However, we are often quick to shift the blame for a traumatic experience to something external to us rather than looking within.

As far as chakras go, they are within our energy body corresponding to certain zones in the physical body. Kundalini, being divine energy aligns the five sheaths of our being with the omnipresent Oneness of which our awareness or true Self is integrated with. The unnerving aspect of the awakening is attributable to our rational mind resisting the natural happening.

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This is important advice.

For every opening we are elevated as, the integration of all aspects of our human self will be awakened to face or to be revealed.

Going through my own process I too interpreted the process as entities out too disturb me. 18 yrs on I’m very aware it was to activate fear and emotions suppressed in me.

When your on the other side of these things you know more through integration and awareness.

[AngelRain]

Kundalini is different for everyone. In my experience I learned how my energy blockages were holding me back. Which stemmed from a turbulant childhood. But it also taught me my healing capabilities. I learned a few things from energy healers but my best healing sessions were sessions i performed on myself. If it weren't for kundalini i wouldn't have the job, spouse, friends and home i have now. I consider it a blessing. despite the pain i had to fight through in order to get here.

jenriggs

I think maybe the kundalini is more the vehicle and or pathways of natural energies.

What your husband chose to do or be can not be blamed on the vehicle.

He bears the responsibility of what He allows to be expressed from his core/Heart.

What he allows to be attached to his being, reveals his being.

My experience is I am responsible for all my actions and attitudes that proceed from my Heart.

Certainly there are forces that can deceive or benefit, but again I am responsible.

Live and learn.

[running]

not really taking away from the above post. those points are valid and good.

but there is a radical shift that happens. and its not so much entitys, but old emotions and such from many, many, lifetimes that have to clear. its a lot of things. then you do find out you are god in a sense. you do find out perhaps you can heal. you find out perhaps you can read and be anything. these are glimpses of the ultimate reality. so that the mind can perhaps grasp. like the movie matrix.

im not saying these things will or will not be experienced. but may be. for me i would become full of power when i was frustrated about what i was going through and felt i couldn't go another step. then bam. everything at my finger tips it seemed full of power. past, future, me, the world, it was ridiculious in scope. it taught me that this is a very big story going on. and how god wrote the script. and we are but actors in the script. and although i feel like im not. i think im not. i am from a certain perspective. or how else can i experince what im going to do. yet i cant change it. it is in a sense a script. we are all actors and we have all had plenty of rehearsals. this is why perhaps the bliss and the silence are non dual. because they are from that particular perspective. so some how our normal perspective melts in with that one. now im only talking about me. i dont know anyone elses awakening experiences and how it is for them. im not mentioning mine as it is true for anyone else other than myself. the only thing that is the same for everybody is bliss and silence.

anyways. what im getting at is in the process is like a boot camp. and whats important is getting through it. my intuition told me there is nothing to judge about a persons awakening. i have had lots of other things i was told or intuition gave me. i don't have time to go through it all. but the one i just mentioned is a good one imo. but not an excuse to screw up. which is why i mentioned the above post as being good and valid. but you may be humbled.

[jro5139]

When people become "suddenly spiritual" (when they were not at all before) what happens is that they open themselves up to anything and everything, without discernment or an understanding of what they are really opening themselves up to.
They don't understand that there is a dark side or negative entities that don't want the best for us. I see it on youtube with people that become suddenly spiritual, then start doing readings, tarot or other things without any real knowledge of the thing that they are doing. What you see happen then, is that they get exposed to something negative, get scared and give it all up and turn to religion to save them.

The thing about divination, astrology, tarot, etc.. is that these thing are just tools, they aren't themselves good or evil. But they do provide a sort of bridge to allow us to connect with the spirit realm, which can open us up to anything if we are not discerning. I feel kundalini is the same way, a natural process but also opens us up to contact with the spirit realm.

What I am slowly coming to realize is that all of the deities had both good and bad sides as they are products of this dualistic reality. The ultimate goal of enlightenment is to unify the positive and negative, but this doesn't actually happen in our reality until much higher densities (what some people call dimensions.) So even into densities higher than ours, there are positive and negative beings.

I don't feel that any of the so-called "gods" were actually God as we would describe it, as in the one-source Creator of everything. They were more like parts of God, manifested into form. That includes Yahweh, who I don't believe for a second is the Creator of all. If you really read the Bible, there are plenty of instances of Yahweh doing or commanding humans to do things that really could be considered evil.

But back to kundalini, I can't really agree that it is evil, because my awakening experience was overwhelmingly positive and produced positive results. Even the contact with entities that I had as a result of my third eye opening was with entities that were positive. I feel this is because I had a vibration increase and I agree with the above poster that stated it is all about our vibration. When you are on a higher vibration, you attract positive entities. But it is also about being discerning, questioning and not believing everything at face value, as I can believe that some lower entities may pose as beings of light who are not.

I'm pretty skeptical about all this arch angel stuff, and I'm not saying it doesn't or can't happen, but my experience of angels is that they are on such a high vibration that they are virtually inaccessible to humans. Furthermore, they seem to appear to do a job (which is protection related) and leave when they are no longer needed.

As for the chakras, when they are blocked it inhibits our functioning at our maximum levels. So for example, if our throat chakra is blocked, we may have issues standing up or speaking out for ourselves, among many other things. It is more beneficial, therefore, for our health and well being, that our chakras be unblocked.
Once you get to the third eye and crown, however, the unblocking opens us up to awareness and communication with the spirit realm. Once again, this is our natural state and a positive thing, but also necessary that we have discernment as not all beings that present themselves to us are going to necessarily be positive, just as not all humans are positive.

Also, if we are engaged in certain negative activities it can open us up more for negative beings to attach themselves to us and eventually posses us. This happens with the involvement in negative things, whether the person has any awareness of the spirit realm or not. For example, heavy alcohol use or certain hard drugs, pornography and probably many other negative behaviors. Even certain places tend to have more negative entities attached to them. I would also say that emotions can attract negative entities as some or all seem to sort of feed off of our negative emotions.

Now if a person suddenly, for one reason or another, opened themselves up to the spirit realm, but was engaged in negative behaviors or harbored negative emotions they could be risking something negative attaching itself to them. It's even more risky if the person does not know to be discerning or opens themselves up to anything.

Learning to recognize vibrations helps with discerning spirits and entities. Once you have felt an overwhelming negative vibration, it becomes pretty easy to recognize. The same with really high vibrations. Also, trusting your gut instinct. Once you know how to recognize this, there's really no reason not to trust it as it really never proves to be wrong.

Once again, I feel that opening our chakras, kundalini rise and third eye openings are our natural state of being and necessary for us to accomplish in order to eventually move into higher densities. However, I do feel that people should learn what they are doing and dealing with first. I would also say, that when it happened to me, it was completely organic and natural. I wasn't looking for it to happen at all. I believe that when it happens organically that means that we are ready and we will have a smoother time with the process.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by jro5139

When people become "suddenly spiritual" (when they were not at all before) what happens is that they open themselves up to anything and everything, without discernment or an understanding of what they are really opening themselves up to.
They don't understand that there is a dark side or negative entities that don't want the best for us. I see it on youtube with people that become suddenly spiritual, then start doing readings, tarot or other things without any real knowledge of the thing that they are doing. What you see happen then, is that they get exposed to something negative, get scared and give it all up and turn to religion to save them.

The thing about divination, astrology, tarot, etc.. is that these thing are just tools, they aren't themselves good or evil. But they do provide a sort of bridge to allow us to connect with the spirit realm, which can open us up to anything if we are not discerning. I feel kundalini is the same way, a natural process but also opens us up to contact with the spirit realm.

What I am slowly coming to realize is that all of the deities had both good and bad sides as they are products of this dualistic reality. The ultimate goal of enlightenment is to unify the positive and negative, but this doesn't actually happen in our reality until much higher densities (what some people call dimensions.) So even into densities higher than ours, there are positive and negative beings.

I don't feel that any of the so-called "gods" were actually God as we would describe it, as in the one-source Creator of everything. They were more like parts of God, manifested into form. That includes Yahweh, who I don't believe for a second is the Creator of all. If you really read the Bible, there are plenty of instances of Yahweh doing or commanding humans to do things that really could be considered evil.

But back to kundalini, I can't really agree that it is evil, because my awakening experience was overwhelmingly positive and produced positive results. Even the contact with entities that I had as a result of my third eye opening was with entities that were positive. I feel this is because I had a vibration increase and I agree with the above poster that stated it is all about our vibration. When you are on a higher vibration, you attract positive entities. But it is also about being discerning, questioning and not believing everything at face value, as I can believe that some lower entities may pose as beings of light who are not.

I'm pretty skeptical about all this arch angel stuff, and I'm not saying it doesn't or can't happen, but my experience of angels is that they are on such a high vibration that they are virtually inaccessible to humans. Furthermore, they seem to appear to do a job (which is protection related) and leave when they are no longer needed.

As for the chakras, when they are blocked it inhibits our functioning at our maximum levels. So for example, if our throat chakra is blocked, we may have issues standing up or speaking out for ourselves, among many other things. It is more beneficial, therefore, for our health and well being, that our chakras be unblocked.
Once you get to the third eye and crown, however, the unblocking opens us up to awareness and communication with the spirit realm. Once again, this is our natural state and a positive thing, but also necessary that we have discernment as not all beings that present themselves to us are going to necessarily be positive, just as not all humans are positive.

Also, if we are engaged in certain negative activities it can open us up more for negative beings to attach themselves to us and eventually posses us. This happens with the involvement in negative things, whether the person has any awareness of the spirit realm or not. For example, heavy alcohol use or certain hard drugs, pornography and probably many other negative behaviors. Even certain places tend to have more negative entities attached to them. I would also say that emotions can attract negative entities as some or all seem to sort of feed off of our negative emotions.

Now if a person suddenly, for one reason or another, opened themselves up to the spirit realm, but was engaged in negative behaviors or harbored negative emotions they could be risking something negative attaching itself to them. It's even more risky if the person does not know to be discerning or opens themselves up to anything.

Learning to recognize vibrations helps with discerning spirits and entities. Once you have felt an overwhelming negative vibration, it becomes pretty easy to recognize. The same with really high vibrations. Also, trusting your gut instinct. Once you know how to recognize this, there's really no reason not to trust it as it really never proves to be wrong.

Once again, I feel that opening our chakras, kundalini rise and third eye openings are our natural state of being and necessary for us to accomplish in order to eventually move into higher densities. However, I do feel that people should learn what they are doing and dealing with first. I would also say, that when it happened to me, it was completely organic and natural. I wasn't looking for it to happen at all. I believe that when it happens organically that means that we are ready and we will have a smoother time with the process.

This is the best post I have ever read on this forum.

There are certain extra-dimensional beings which make their presence known to humankind and who have done so throughout our history.

They don't come from another planet (although that is not to say that life doesn't exist elsewhere in the universe), they come from a "parallel world" closely aligned with this one and they reside in the 5th Dimension - time has lost all relevance and meaning there and they have also lost corporeal form billions of years ago on our timescale..back when our Earth was just forming.

These beings are pure energy... conscious, aware energy! They radiate their shining presence like a beacon of love, and they are also able to consolidate this into a human-type form to communicate or impart sacred knowledge -the Ascended Masters are good examples of this.

They are called the Elohim in Hebrew or the Devas in Sanskrit and the words literally mean "The Shining Ones" and many primitive humans, even many modern humans would see them as "Gods" because it would be more than the limited human logical mind and thought process could ever hope to really understand. They do have a Divine connection though, because if a Deva ever becomes very fond of you and appears to you, they will take your hand and guide you to find the Divinity within (and without), just like they have and so, in a way there is no difference between "God" and "One who has realised God" either, so the Elohim/Devas could also and rightly be called "Gods"...the primal, ancestral Gods of humanity.

They did not create the multiverse any differently from how we create our own realities on this plane of existence. A larger, conscious energy (the Devas are all a part of) is responsible for that and we are just the embodiment of it..we are how it chooses to express and experience itself, but only if we let ourselves become aware of such.

As for the Throat Chakra...that has been the bane of my existence. It is the hardest chakra to master IMHO because it deals with having to come to terms with what it is that you think that other people may be thinking about you. Sometimes you would be right, most times you would be wrong - but none of that really matters in the end. Like myself, people are afraid of social isolation and it actually took me 20 years of self imposed isolation to get over my "separation anxiety" from the rest of humanity, but like Jesus said, one needs to be "in the world but not OF the world" (without becoming irreversibly depersonalized) and it is the Throat Chakra which deals with all that.

Suffice to say, mine was blocked when my Kundalini awoke and raised up by itself (through the Grace of a specific Deva I was worshiping at the time and it is the same Deva I first met in my childhood, when I wondered why would thousands and thousands of people mutilate themselves joyfully and feel absolutely no pain? not even a drop of blood? What is the human mind and heart actually capable of and why are we "held back" from doing so by more orthodox versions of the same belief system (and other belief systems)?

When you are in the presence of an "Angel", you will know... definitely, you will know! There is an overwhelming emotion of awe, humility, reverence, receptiveness, love..and when they touch the heart, there is no difference between "human being" and "bowl of joyful jello".

Thank you for making that post, jro.

[jro5139]

Thank you Shivani Devi
Nice to know it is appreciated.

The throat chakra was a big one for me as well, that had to be unblocked along this journey. Also along with learning not to care what others thought about me, which I learned quite some time ago.

I realized that the beings that telepathically communicated with me were 5th dimensional and now I can easily recognize the vibration of a 5th dimensional being. I also felt that they are extra-dimensional and more energetic than physical, although at the time I had not heard anybody talk about this, so it's nice to have some collaboration with what I felt from them.

I feel we are capable of so much more than we are told or given the chance to work towards, especially here in the western world. When I had my awakening, all of my senses improved or became more sensitive. The regular ones and extra ones as well. It was like the world came more alive... colors were brighter, food tasted better, nature was more beautiful, the veil between the spirit realm and our realm became thinner and I had more sensations and interactions with spirits and entities. I also felt disconnected from my body (during the most intense part of my awakening), nauseous for no reason and like my body was less dense.

I have sensed Angels a few times, never saw one but had strong sensations of sensing them. Mostly when I feel their protection was needed by my children. I feel this is one of the things that they do. And I agree, their vibration is like nothing else I have sensed and very recognizable.

[Unseeking Seeker]

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Thanks for sharing jro & Shivani

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[ThatMan]

If you are not able to ascend to that higher inner state that you seek, you will more surely be overwhelmed by your carnal nature, your sexual desire will increase more and more, your emotions will act like some wild beasts making your life a never ending carousel, where you are up and down, up and down, you will have moments of wild anger and moments of deep peace.In few words, you will go to the dark side, you will lose control, you will feel that someone else is taking over you, confusion, anxiety, depression, anger, they are all going to come over you.

When I started my "ascension" I had to give up on all those things that could get me where your husband is at this moment, I used to be addicted to porn, but now, I am free, I used to have other minor addictions, but I am free of all of them! I used to suffer from extreme depression and anxiety, I am much better now.I used to isolate myself from the whole word, I just wanted to be all alone, but now, I am not anymore like that.All these things happened prior to my "ascension", when I started to spiritually grow, I gave up on all of them, even my thinking I changed, no more negativity, I just laugh in face of adversity.

There are moments when my carnal nature tries to take over? Yes, it happens, but I am not anymore the man I used to be, I am changed and I changed myself, if you are not ready to change yourself ( to give up on those things that are bad ) and still you want to reach the higher things of spiritual nature, you will be overtaken by your carnal nature and you will do crazy things.

Kundalini means nothing for me. I have no interest with such things, I did nothing of this sort.I only meditate to quiet my mind so that I can control it and not be controlled by it.

I don't believe in crystals, reading tarot cards and things like that, I believe that everything comes from inside, if you really want to reach a higher inner state, you have to change yourself and it starts from inside.

I remember when I had my first encounter with the evil that I called the "absolute evil", this happened in the astral plane, it was horrible and I started telling people about what's there, from that moment I just had few more encounters, but guess what, it's been quite a good time from my last encounter and I used to have at least a bad experience every week.This shows that I am doing a real progress, that I am really reaching a higher inner state and this is only the beginning!!

My opinion is that your husband was not prepared for this "ascension" and he was overtaken by his inner carnal nature ( we all have this nature ).It's like trying to quit smoke and you start once again to smoke after some good time free of it, you will act in a very crazy way, smoking cigarette after cigarette.

I received messages ( voices talking in my mind ), I traveled into the astral plane, I saw things in future, I observed the lives of other people, I knew things that I could simply not know.

I talk here from my own personal experience.

[NoOne]

Great posts guys, this thread is turning into a real treasure trove…

I must say I agree with all of the above posts and it matches my own personal experience. It is wonderful to be in the (virtual) presence of so many wise and awakened souls.