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Old 12-11-2019, 12:05 PM
GoldenEmbers GoldenEmbers is offline
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Originally Posted by inavalan
You may receive a lot of advice ... which to believe? Truth isn't decided by majority. The only exit from this dilemma I know, is to get in touch with your inner knowledge for guidance. The more you do it, the better you get at it. Surely, you have to leave behind all your existing beliefs, and not to distort the messages you receive.

There are no demons other than the ones you create yourself through your beliefs and expectations. There aren't many who NDE and report hellish experiences. I believe you're misinformed about that.

One of the main reasons you're here, alive, now, is to learn to not be afraid, as you can't function in the afterlife as long as you're afraid. Over there (as well as over here) your fear creates nightmarish situations. They won't do anything to your soul, but you won't be able to function over-there.

I really should! I have felt that feeling of inner knowing before and in those moments, my beliefs felt truly unbreakable! I would meditate and receive amazing answers and all of it was just through knowing. I also felt an intense feeling of warmth and love. Maybe that's the space I need to be in! I noticed whenever I'm in a more grounded and positive state, I don't worry about such things.
Thank you so much!
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:10 PM
GoldenEmbers GoldenEmbers is offline
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Originally Posted by BigJohn
I like to do research on various subjects.

What I find is the Bible does not necessary say what people say it says.

For example: virtually all Bibles say Moses wrote Genesis but the Bible does not say that. When I look at Genesis in Hebrew, I see many authors writing. Each has their own style of writing and peculiar language that identifies each group. To me, Genesis seems to have been written when the Jews were in captivity in Babylon. The Babylon Talmud was written in this time period. Noting that I suspect Genesis was a style of writing that later evolved into the style the talmud is written. If that is true, then Genesis is a book of opinions which makes sense.

I remember reading a few parts of the bible, but I guess I never looked into the writing or creation of it. That's a big thing to think about too! I realize that I give myself more questions than answers because I don't look at where things came from. You gave me some new ideas and questions to ask myself and I thank you for that because now I might be able to truly understand things for myself.
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:48 PM
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Going with your initial question....consider this...
why believe in anything others have said or written...of course,
all of it is still in you, ha!

Rather, Be still, sit in quiet...all disturbances out of the way.
Do this daily - set your intention as you find your comfortable place to sit.
Think what it is you want - the usual is peace, perhaps...clarity?
Once the mind is still (still like most can not imagine), so much will be shown to you inside.
There will be no reason to believe in anything - you will know now.
This doesn't happen overnight, mainly because thoughts may take awhile to be quieted.
You'll figure it out if you really would like to know things.
You may be led to some books of inspiration you have never
known about - guiding you a bit and read them with more understanding...what a wonderful adventure this life of learning is!


"Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by riding daily in a balloon of divine perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones...Meditate unceasingly,
that you quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence"
~~Lahiri Mahasaya, the guru of Yogananda's guru

I have no scientific evidence for anything I say.
Better to PM me if you want me to see a post to me. I miss a lot.

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Old 12-11-2019, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BigJohn

What helps me is trying to get a good, historical on such subjects as you have mentioned.

For example:

When did Hell first appear in the Bible? Did various translations promote the Hell people are familiar with?

One I found interesting is when Guides were first introduced into historical writings? Why are Guides not found in older writings?

What was the catalyst that caused Doreen Virtue to change?

When did Angels first appear in the Bible? Why is it the Hebrew word commonly used for Angels,not always translated in some translations, not as Angels but by different words?

and the list goes on and on......
A lot of the same guidelines do go back farther. At the time most people couldn't read or write so why put it in writing? Stories were past down from person to person. Also before christanity there was wiccan,and pagans. In order to take dominance of the God thing the Christian's destroyed everything they could and what little was written. What writings did survive went underground and hidden away. People who still practice wiccan or paganism remain largely underground even to this day. It was less than 100 years ago people were killed for not believing in christanity. So that why we don't see anything written earlier than the Bible.
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Old 13-11-2019, 10:37 PM
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GoldenEmbers, here's my view of your experience for what it's worth:

There is one uncreated, infinite source. Call it God, source, the universe or whatever you will. It is infinite and completely beyond the constraints of created attributes.

When communication occurs between the created finite and the eternal uncreated infinite, it usually comes cloaked in the form of creation in order to make it comprehensible to our finite minds. Some enlightened people do catch rare glimpses of the uncreated infinite without the created mediator, but it is beyond our comprehension to describe it. Hence St. Paul's famous quote "eye hath not seen" etc.

Anyway, early on in the history of humanity, humans imagined these interactions to be carried by celestial winged beings known as angels, which literally just means "messenger". This concept has become embedded in the collective consciousness, and so when people hold any sort of intercourse with the uncreated infinite they typically imagine they're talking to these angels. Similarly, when people see demonic spirits they see them in innumerable different forms, depending on whatever form the person's imagination assumes to be the most horrible. Unfortunately the human mind's capacity to imagine all forms of terrors seems to know no end, while our capacity to envision truth, beauty and light is severely limited - hence we tend to see limited varieties of angels but endless species of demons. I guess the human mind finds the winged angel to be an appropriate symbol to represent celestial wisdom, but the rather cartoonish concept of a guy in red pyjamas on his way to mulch the garden doesn't really suffice to express the full spectrum of terror.

ANYWAY, you clearly have some anxiety about the path you've chosen, and your anxiety has manifested itself in the form of an evil spirit guide. Like all created visions of the uncreated, it's purely your mind attempting to translate non-form into form. As evidence, note that the people who have these experiences always seem to be people with some degree of religious anxiety.

All of this is to say, don't be concerned and you are safe.
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Old 15-11-2019, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldenEmbers
I am in a great state of confusion and I am very unsure of what to believe in.
In childhood, I believed in Jesus and I had even saw him as my own father.

There were so many Ideas that turned me away from religion. One being, that anyone who committed any sin of any sort, would be cast into hell. This one was the driving motivation of my fear at that time. I was only 12 and really scared of going to hell!

Another idea that had turned me away from religion was the idea that, as a christian, you would have to spread the word to others. I was very shy and found this to be too "preachy", though If you did not even do this, you would go to hell because the person, (if they passed away) would have their blood on your hands and that especially scared me.

Over all, I think I found all of this to be way too much work. To fully know jesus, you would have to repent every one of your sins and be an avid christian. I found that extremely daunting.

Recently, I have come across videos that say, psychics, loa and the entire idea of spiritual practice is all demonic. Of course, this scares the **** outta me! I guess I just got curious and fell down the rabbit hole with such videos.

One that really changed my point of view was Doreen Virtue's conversion from spirituality to religion. It really caused me to think about things and Alot!

A few days ago, I was in meditation (i might have fell asleep partially) and asked my guides if they were there and these really creepy, demonic voices responded. "Yes, we're here!" It could have been a dream, but man, did that scare the **** out of me!!!

It made me rethink this whole spiritual thing. It terrifies me to think that our spirit guides are actually demons in disguise and trying to decieve us. (at least that's what i think at the moment.) It just makes me wonder if psychics are even real. I don't know, are the beings that they are talking with demons or are they actually people who have passed on??? I'm so sorry, I'm just really afraid and confused.

Another question I have is, why do so many people report having ndes that involve hell? A lot of psychics and spiritual people don't believe in hell, but if so, then why are there so many people with near death experiences that report hell? Is hell really just a place of our own energy at the time of death. (hence, do we create it through manifestation?) I'm just really scared.

I hope someone could help me to understand this. I'm sorry, I don't mean to challenge anyone's beliefs, but my own. I guess what I'm searching for is clarity.

the things you are afraid of, all of them, do not originate from the highest source of all. that includes fear of hell and all else you mentioned. the battle scarred soul knows these things having wrestled with them and come out a little into the light of paradise, which children are kin too. Yes, the battle scarred soul is kin to the innocent one. Now that is a relief of pure joy. But do there exist the darker beings. Yes, and from them come the obstacles to overcome. They are untrustworthy and to use an extreme example people messing around with the occult are gonna get their *** in trouble here. The key is discernment and its not so easy, do not worry though, stand tall within yourself (lol as Jesus would say get up and walk! You see the spiritual sense of that?)
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Old 17-11-2019, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldenEmbers
Thank you for clearing all that up. I was honestly very afraid and confused. Whenever I feel that way, I will always look back at this.

I think the idea of unconditional love is awesome! Especially the part about forgiveness. Honestly, Thank you very much!

You are most welcome.
"For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul".
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