Nonduality and "The Guru".

[Iamit]

There is not a state of "Being in Non-duality" as opposed to being in duality, as though it were possible to be in one or the other:) The whole of the manifestation is duality. There is not a part of the manifestation called nonduality that you can be in:)

Whilst in duality, you can encounter a concept called non duality which asserts that despite the very convincing, solid looking, appearance of difference that is duality, ALL is in fact ONE.

Having said that, there is the idea of enlightenment, which is often taken to mean that duality has been trancended and an apparent separate looking person is in fact no longer separate but has rather become One with everything.

But then again its not possible to know whether someone is enlightened or not. There are certain characteristics which are supposed to exemplify it, but the mind can easily construct these and hide behind as the separate self, contradicting every one of them:) It can often be very advantageous for the mind to do this, as there can be many benefits in terms of motor cars and other gifts.

:)

[jonesboy]

A real guru can share his presence/oneness with another being. Can induce silence, bliss and help remove obstructions.

When in the presence of a real guru.. there is no doubt.

[sky]

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I wonder did followers of these gurus feel their presence, sure they did until........ they awakened or the Police/Authorities stepped in.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

A real guru can share his presence/oneness with another being. Can induce silence, bliss and help remove obstructions.

When in the presence of a real guru.. there is no doubt.

We proclaim the amazing ability of the mind to fool us when it suits us, and underestimate it when it doesn't.

Concepts are more trustworthy, at least we know they are made up constructions. We can take the words and the ideas on face value, and resonate with them or not, without being seduced, literally in some cases, by the messenger.

:)

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Iamit

We proclaim the amazing ability of the mind to fool us when it suits us, and underestimate it when it doesn't.

Concepts are more trustworthy, at least we know they are made up constructions. We can take the words and the ideas on face value, and resonate with them or not, without being seduced, literally in some cases, by the messenger.

:)

All that is of the mind. Some of it you like more than others but it is all mind.

A real guru takes you beyond concepts.

[Iamit]

[quote=jonesboy]All that is of the mind. Some of it you like more than others but it is all mind.

A real guru takes you beyond concepts.[/QU]

Good luck with sorting out who are the real gurus from mind created characteristics. Meanwhile you can always just evaluate the words and ideas wherever you encounter them, from so called gurus or not:)

[jonesboy]

[quote=Iamit]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

All that is of the mind. Some of it you like more than others but it is all mind.

A real guru takes you beyond concepts.[/QU]

Good luck with sorting out who are the real gurus from mind created characteristics. Meanwhile you can always just evaluate the words and ideas wherever you encounter them, from so called gurus or not:)

It's not hard.

A real guru can touch your mind, bring deep silence and energy to help one let go of issues.

For instance a person recently reached out to me because she was suffering daily panic attacks that would last 5 hours every night.

A couple of days of working with my friend and she no longer has panic attacks.

He didn't tell her how to live, what to do, didn't tell her to start doing any particular practices. He shared his presence.

It is that type of presence, when one feels the heart open and love pores forth that one knows.

A real guru shares grace, not words or concepts or dictates.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

A real guru can share his presence/oneness with another being. Can induce silence, bliss and help remove obstructions.

When in the presence of a real guru.. there is no doubt.

I have never actually met a Guru, only some indigenous Elders with whom one can be in nondual alignment.

Because of the high transparency of the situation, that shared presence/oneness does induce silent communication.

Also if one is in a proper alignment with the Elder (Guru) non-dually - and ready, teaching situations spontaneously manifest for the "Guru" to act upon and for you to witness.

And of course direct inner knowing is beyond doubt.

[blossomingtree]

Originally Posted by sentient

I have never actually met a Guru, only some indigenous Elders with whom one can be in nondual alignment.

Because of the high transparency of the situation, that shared presence/oneness does induce silent communication.

Also if one is in a proper alignment with the Elder (Guru) non-dually - and ready, teaching situations spontaneously manifest for the "Guru" to act upon and for you to witness.

And of course direct inner knowing is beyond doubt.

It's often such Elders that I would personally use the term for

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

A real guru can share his presence/oneness with another being. Can induce silence, bliss and help remove obstructions.

When in the presence of a real guru.. there is no doubt.

You got that right!