Non-duality doesn't exist.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

What if an extraterrestrial species has eight fingers and toes and therefore uses base 8 math? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10.

We have 5 fingers and 9 numbers.
Mathematics transcends physical and non-physical, it is the language ABOUT the absolute. Not of the absolute. Because the absolute does not require language nor numbers. It is infinite. 9 refers to infinity. That which is the source. Defines the source. Through the vortexual shape, that describes the unchanging structure of existence. Not of physical or non-physical/energetic). But existence, beyond time and space. And also beyond the energetic consciousness soul or non-physical source of time and space. But source of all. Is existence itself. Absolute. Which is referred to as the one that has no likeness to it. Which is the number 9.

That is what non-duality refers to.

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

This made me remember that I heard a long time ago, that the number and vibration of the absolute is the number 10 and that is why we have 10 fingers, 10 toes, 10 chakras etc.

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So many theories! The Blavatsky doctrine speaks of seven planes with seven subdivisions each.

A friend of mine however was told*(*in a session, by Shiva, no less!) that there are 10 subdivisions, not 7. Sacred geometry with triangles & circles intersecting at different dimensions (64) were shown (but not comprehended).

What is valid, is our experienced reality here & now. Be it dual, non-dual or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

Mathematics transcends physical and non-physical, it is the language ABOUT the absolute. Not of the absolute. Because the absolute does not require language nor numbers. It is infinite. 9 refers to infinity. That which is the source. Defines the source. Through the vortexual shape, that describes the unchanging structure of existence. Not of physical or non-physical/energetic). But existence, beyond time and space. And also beyond and prior to or the source of consciousness and awareness.

In octal 9 is 11. In binary it's 1001. In hex it's still 9 but in hex 11 is B.

[anthony c]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Logically speaking if there's Creator and created that's at least two. Furthermore if It's our Creator and we Its created then we aren't It.

Unless the creator used itself to create everything and/or if pure non-existence creates creation then technically it's still one. For non-existence to be true it still has to exist. There is only existence.

One substance creating everything is ONE and that arises from the Absolute.
Everything is an illusion but the Absolute is the Real, Truth and the only thing that really exists everything came into existence which is illusion even consciousness but without consciousness the absolute can not know itself.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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So many theories! The Blavatsky doctrine speaks of seven planes with seven subdivisions each.

A friend of mine however was told*(*in a session, by Shiva, no less!) that there are 10 subdivisions, not 7. Sacred geometry with triangles & circles intersecting at different dimensions (64) were shown (but not comprehended).

What is valid, is our experienced reality here & now. Be it dual, non-dual or whatever.

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Your experience is here is about non-duality, because that is the topic. So it does exist, but it cannot be experienced. It is infinite and absolute. And there is no likeness to it. We refer to it by the number 9 that describes the vortexual shape. Which is the evidence of the absolute and its omni presence and unchanging nature and structure of existence as the absolute.
7 is again a physical number. They describe physical reality and dimensions such as the seven heavens. These are not absolute. And they are not referring to non-duality.
Duality/non-duality is 3 and 6.
Yin yang and the shape that allows for them to exist is 3 9 6. Trinity.
Absolute, is the vortexual shape that is at the source of consciousness, energy, awareness, bliss, it is infinite and unchanging, structure of existence. 9.

9 is not a non-duality, it is an absolute. It is vortexness. It is the original knowledge of all religions, cultures and sciences. But non-duality is a word made to call the desire for original knowledge of lao tzu. And dao.

[anthony c]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

Again, the word non does not exist. Non existence does not exist. For every presence, there is an absence. For every absence there is another presence. If something is negative to you, it is positive for someone else. You just be your self.

Now the structure of existence you talk about is not one. It is 9. The polar opposite of 1 is 8. Polarity is defined by soul, as 3 and 6. This first dimension is actually of the number 9 of omni presence and unchanging. It has no equal. That is what ALL THAT EXISTS means. Infinity is described by absolute unchanging ever spiraling 9.
1 2 4 8 7 5 are numbers of physical time space reality.
3 9 6 are of the soul.
3 and 6 are of polarity.
9 is of omni presence.

Laws of existence =
9 =, you exist, all as one as one as all.
3, 6 = what you put out is what you get back, (gives rise to expansion, consciousness/soul self reflection, by expanding awareness of its own awareness within its own awareness into the greater allowed self realisation)
1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5 = everything changes, even change changes into the unchanging laws of existence.

We have life and death, because the soul is ever present. And already contains the transcende of them both. Just like wake and sleep. When you flow more soul through you, there is no need for death nor sleep. But negative energy has to be released. And it accumulates in our life on planet earth. So death or sleep or meditation releases resistance. Allows energy to flow again, by aligning back with the 9, God, through the soul 3 and 6.

The human being is an extension of the 9 that you call non-duality, or dao or god or absolute, or unchanging existence.
Consciousness arises out of God or Absolute.
But God is not conscious. It simply exists. Beyond time and space. Beyond any dimension.
This 9 reveals the source of all creating, consciousness, energy, life, etc, to be a vortexual shape. By giving rise to all the numbers below it.
Again, 0 does not exist. Non existence does not exist. That is why they say God has no equal. No likeness to it. It is simply existence itself.
God is not 1. God is 9. As again, 1 is a physical number. There are endless of things that are similar to 1. And in likeness to it. And comparable to it. So 1 is not absolute. Infact trinity or duality is more absolute than 1. And trinity is more absolute than duality. Because duality is just 3 and 6. Trinity includes the 9. But the 9 is absolute. Not trinity.

So oneness is like a word that can be used to describe the unitfying all inclusive omni presence of existence or absolute or god or dao, that ascends and transcends all things. But as a number, no, not 1, but 9.
It's called vortex mathematics. These are absolute foundational, and even transcend language. So you can say oneness. To refer to the number 9. But you can't say everything is 1. That implies endedness and contradicts the infinite nature of existence.

Hope that helps.

Okay wowww. I have to reread what you said a few times but i was just using the basic math to explain oneness as a concept but it still is a concept.

What if consciousness can cause the non-existence to exist somehow. I don't know how but according to non-duality it does.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by anthony c

Unless the creator used itself to create everything and/or if pure non-existence creates creation then technically it's still one. For non-existence to be true it still has to exist. There is only existence.

One substance creating everything is ONE and that arises from the Absolute.
Everything is an illusion but the Absolute is the Real, Truth and the only thing that really exists everything came into existence which is illusion even consciousness but without consciousness the absolute can not know itself.

Yeah, non-existence doesn't exist.
Absolute is omni present. Existence.
The unchanging structure of existence. And it is infinite. And ever expanding. Eternal. Here and now. Omni present. As all as one as one as all.
Infinite.
9. 9. 9. 9. 9.
No awareness. No consciousness. Just pure existence. No physical reality. No time. No non-physical energy. No relativity. THERE IS NO LIKENESS TO IT. that is why people wanna call it non-duality.
It is the number 9.

But again, duality and non-duality refer to 3 9 6. Which is the trinity. They are inseperable.

Originally Posted by anthony c

Unless the creator used itself to create everything and/or if pure non-existence creates creation then technically it's still one. For non-existence to be true it still has to exist. There is only existence.

One substance creating everything is ONE and that arises from the Absolute.
Everything is an illusion but the Absolute is the Real, Truth and the only thing that really exists everything came into existence which is illusion even consciousness but without consciousness the absolute can not know itself.

That's more or less how I thought about it for a long time but just couldn't reconcile it with experience, but the last ten years first approaching it from consciousness studies, physics, neuroscience and meditation my perspective began to shift and then more recently the Advaita point of view solidified that shift.

In a nutshell if there is only One then I must be That. And the only "thing" I have found at the deepest core of being that could be That is Consciousness. If I'm not that then I'm not the Absolute but merely a creation, hence dualism.

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

Yeah, non-existence doesn't exist.
Absolute is omni present. Existence.
The unchanging structure of existence. And it is infinite. And ever expanding. Eternal. Here and now. Omni present. As all as one as one as all.
Infinite.
9. 9. 9. 9. 9.
No awareness. No consciousness. Just pure existence. No physical reality. No time. No non-physical energy. No relativity. THERE IS NO LIKENESS TO IT. that is why people wanna call it non-duality.
It is the number 9.

But again, duality and non-duality refer to 3 9 6. Which is the trinity. They are inseperable.

If It's unchanging and infinite how can it be expanding?

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by anthony c

Okay wowww. I have to reread what you said a few times but i was just using the basic math to explain oneness as a concept but it still is a concept.

What if consciousness can cause the non-existence to exist somehow. I don't know how but according to non-duality it does.

Glad to be of service. I enjoy sharing this.

Non existence doesn't exist.
Existence gives rise to consciousness. Which allows for the awareness of the unchanging structure of existence.
9 is pure existence, without physical or non-physical(energetic).
Without awareness there is no energy no physical reality. Awareness arises out of the 9 that becomes aware of itself into the 3 and 6.
Non-physical is energetic, soul, awareness, consciousness, bliss, trinity, 3 9 6. Which is what yin and yang refers to. A trinity. Duality and non-duality, and that which gives them the shape. 3 and 6 and 9 gives them the unchanging shape. 3 and 6 refer to energy, polarity. Consciousness. They are inseperable from 9 they arise out of 9, 9 makes them possible.
Physical reality is defined by the numbers, 1 2 4 8 7 5