The Ultimate Truth

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

Frankly I don't have much knowledge of tantra though given time , I may like to learn it if its authentic and really adding some value to life.

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Simply stated, it is the energy path. Direct. Real. Felt, as vibrancy. Within.

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[rivera.ollie369]

I feel that, along with the different mind states -- waking (jagrat), dreaming (svapna), deep sleep (suṣupti), and fourth state of Turiya -- there are subsets of mind states that matter to us in our daily lives as well. I have found that in the waking state there are many different relevant states of mind, where one of them connects directly to Turiya, when our own individual minds get out of the way and we become pure sensation, pure life. I had an experience in nature on my own where I felt intimately connected with the pure consciousness behind my life and felt a state of bliss. I spent months trying to find answers and rediscover this feeling and found sites like this, The Global Truth Project, and certain movies like Tree of Life that identify and embody the feelings I had in that moment. Turiya may be a another name for Heaven in western religions, but this is coming from an person inexperienced with dealing with these names and concepts, so I would love further opinion on the connection of different mind states and Turiya with other cultures, religions, and philosophies.

Originally Posted by rivera.ollie369

I feel that, along with the different mind states -- waking (jagrat), dreaming (svapna), deep sleep (suṣupti), and fourth state of Turiya -- there are subsets of mind states that matter to us in our daily lives as well. I have found that in the waking state there are many different relevant states of mind, where one of them connects directly to Turiya, when our own individual minds get out of the way and we become pure sensation, pure life. I had an experience in nature on my own where I felt intimately connected with the pure consciousness behind my life and felt a state of bliss. I spent months trying to find answers and rediscover this feeling and found sites like this, The Global Truth Project, and certain movies like Tree of Life that identify and embody the feelings I had in that moment. Turiya may be a another name for Heaven in western religions, but this is coming from an person inexperienced with dealing with these names and concepts, so I would love further opinion on the connection of different mind states and Turiya with other cultures, religions, and philosophies.

It's a matter of how quiet one's mind is. The quieter the mind the "purer" the conscious experience. That is it's less painted and tainted by thinking and interpreting.

Was your experience one of experiencing (connection to?) pure consciousness or one of being pure consciousness?

I do think there's a continuum of experience, starting with "simple" non-dual awareness resulting from a very still mind all the way to a full-blown mystical experience of everything within and within everything. The prior is interesting and in fact there all the time but we just don't recognize it because of all the "noise" of mind. The latter is staggering, and that's putting it mildly.

The only way to put the latter in terms that are analogous but barely touch on the profound nature is that of a lucid dream. Gaining waking consciousness while still in dream reality. If you ever had a lucid dream try to translate that to a similar jump in consciousness while waking. That is you "know" and without a shadow of doubt you are not the mind-body but the One Consciousness, as is everything else in waking reality. It can be sensed and viscerally so.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by Iamit

The solution of Neo Advaita is always the same. It is to include whatever is regarded as problematic as already Oneness manifest, which should not be difficult to do because you already believe that all is Brahman (Oneness), yet nevertheless it is amazing how often it is forgotten and off you go thinking there is something to be eliminated by practise when it is already an aspect of Oneness manifest that you are seeking to eliminate.

All of the above are important points that many people do not seem to get, or do not want to get.

Practice and tradition reduces human suffering, fear, negativity and etc, while no practice and no tradition is a step towards stopping or preventing suffering, fear, negativity and etc.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Practice and tradition reduces human suffering, fear, negativity and etc, while no practice and no tradition is a step towards stopping or preventing suffering, fear, negativity and etc.

Not clear whether u support or object practice/tradition.
Something ambiguous still which if u clarify will be clear.