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Old 03-07-2019, 08:37 PM
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I've always seen sex as something that comes out of the carnal nature, if you are doing it just for the sake of pleasure, then you are under the influence of the carnal nature because the carnal nature would do anything and everything to satisfy itself.I can't see sex as being part of what one needs to get closer to the Creator of all things, I see it more as a force that pulls away.I was addicted to porn and this ruined me, I wish they would make studies about how porn addiction and depression go hand in hand, but yes, this is not part of the global agenda, there's a global obsession with sex and being sexy, why? Because sexual immorality is one of the most damaging things to the human nature, it makes the man to act like a beast.There are so many stories with people that had sex in the spiritual realm with beings that were from light and love, and eventually these people found out that those beings were nothing else but deceivers.Look at what the society promotes, naked girls all day long, they are everywhere and they are always put in front.

My opinion, sex and spirituality don't go hand in hand, one is carnal and the other is spiritual, one seeks to satisify itself and the other has no desire.It took me 5 years to overcame the sexual desire, now I am free like the bird of the sky, I still feel from time to time that desire but it's so weak.. and after it goes away, I feel so much better.
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Old 03-07-2019, 09:58 PM
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Seems that what can be concluded is that everyone has a view based on the whole content of their upbringing, in turn their cultural context. I could generalise but exceptions would soon emerge. In some parts of the world the puritanical underlay is the norm, abstemiousness is the "right way" the way to ensure a place in heaven; most usually regions that fell under the Abrahamic faiths. While elsewhere no shame is attached to pleasure. Whichever you've been brought up under you'll believe your way is the way to happiness.

The trouble with the west is that a huge effort went into clothing sex in taboo outside defined rituals - it's wrong, it's bad until one conforms to those rituals then magically it's all right. Guilt plays a big part in. It was by design that the physical urges come early can't be acted upon until the age of consent. People go to prison for exercising this function before that time. In the UK that age is 16. In much of Europe it's 15; in Spain it's 13. The result is tension that converts desire into emotions rather than grant people their natural development. People are taught to repress their feelings brought up on the idea that they're sinful. It's probably the cause of so much sexual deference, impotence, frigidity when under the terms of the right rituals they're suddenly expected to perform....and can't quickly move from a sin to 'it's all right.'

Stupid really. I mean, you can't send puberty back and you aren't allowed to act on what it awakens.

Yet it's important to preserve that taboo. Having done a stint in marketing I'm well aware of the substance behind "sex sells". Most people are never aware of their seduction by advertisers playing on those latent desires - the obvious example being the porn merchants but it happens with almost everything in the material world.

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Old 05-07-2019, 09:45 AM
Shivani Devi Shivani Devi is offline
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I like to think about it this way..

Where spirituality meets sexuality, is in the domain of pure sensuality.

To achieve it, is all about self-control and not really abstinence, but loving oneself and one's partner through exploration, playing, teasing, massaging, gentle caresses and uplifting words.

If this is done properly, after a while, a climax is reached which does not require sexual intercourse or even manual stimulation of the erogenous zones.

There are quite a few good videos on YouTube about Tantric Massage and viewer discretion IS advised:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_jjjah_XE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HpTCr4TsKhg

This is WAY better than a sexual climax....yet if one still feels like intercourse after this (which doesn't happen that often) then go for it.

Often, hours of foreplay can have one screaming with energetic "horny-ness" in which Kundalini will rise all by itself.

It is awesome to do this with a partner in physical form, but for now, I will just surrender to my Astral TF, whenever He wishes to instigate this..it is not really up to me through any choice or volition..but I love it whenever it happens (which isn't often).

I hope I have given you some answers and some ideas.
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Old 29-08-2019, 09:19 AM
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what is your issue can you explain in detail ??
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Old 18-09-2019, 10:26 PM
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Talking Abraham says sex gets you into the vortex

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Originally Posted by little.nation
You probably won't encounter God God Oh My God in whatever you're seeking. I can tell you the way to God in the bedroom but it might offend some readers.

Something weird to me about seeking advice from others on this topic. If you worked with an entity, was it forced on you or did you seek it out? What's your own judgement and how could someone else's judgement shape your decision for something that is totally your call. Shrug, I dunno.

Lilith? My opinion? Garbage. Mucho mucho no bueno. Looking for trouble.

You can look up videos on sex on youtube with Abraham Hicks as part of the subject.
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Old 19-09-2019, 02:51 AM
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According to religious sources, desire is fire that burns the souls. Virtues, abstinence and moderation heals the soul from passions. Add divine wisdom to that equation and you turn a mortal soul into immortal.

In the early days, when the creators were enthusiastic about their playthings, they thought that the basic aspect that separated man from angel was knowledge of the truth, therefore, those who were against that mankind became like them forbade people to taste the truth, and put them in illusions and deceptions, carnal desire being one of them.
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Old 19-09-2019, 02:36 PM
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I see how only a few gents have replied. It's always good to get a broader perspective.

I say this because in particular, it's important IMO to pay attention to the vulnerabilities of others, as ThatMan has noted above concerning himself. These are vulnerabilities that very few women have as their experience is fundamentally not the same. We cannot speak for men regarding how their inherent vulnerabilities as men are no big deal, nothing to be concerned about, and/or should be disregarded. IMO it is dehumanising to all when we do so. It would be like men disregarding our inherent physical vulnerabilities as women (to rape, coercion, exploitation) or telling us it's no big deal.

Because of...
-men's extreme vulnerability to casual sex and porn
-the dopamine "crack" hits men experience when streaming porn or having sex that is detached or ungrounded
-and the prevalent level of disordered, misaligned, addictive responses the "average gent" now has regarding sex and porn...

...IMO it's very hard for anyone (but women in particular) to meaningfully comment on why it's ok, neutral, or even good and right for men to have casual sex or stream porn.
We all have our opinions, sure. But the facts of men's day-to-day experiences on the ground simply run counter to many of these positions.

For many men, they have stated they are (broadly speaking) in 1 of 2 places at any given time regarding sex...

Place #1 - Amoral

You can either extract sex from the context of our mutual humanity and -- EXACTLY like porn does -- treat it like it happens in a vacuum with a bunch of mindless soulless meat sacks grinding on each other. "Thus", no one's humanity, highest good, or other ethical issues will be considered...it's just use and abuse freely and egregiously.

Place #2 - Centred and Integrated
Or you can consider sex within the context of our mutual humanity AND consider our mutual humanity as inseparable from our physical bodies, which house our souls, spirits, and consciousness -- and are not just mindless soulless meat sacks with genitals attached.

Depending on where you start, you arrive at VERY different places on this topic.

The thing many men state is that they may commit to #2 as aligned with who they are at centre, at heart. But if they are vulnerable at certain times and places, they may go against who they are at centre and align with #1 because it gives them the crack hit before crashing and craving more hits. Only authentic love can buffer and transform that destructive effect or caustic aftertaste into one that is also right-aligned with their humanity. Integrated with their heart centre.

And this is something many women don't get...that if men do not choose to be at #2, then broadly they are at (or go to) #1, where men tend to become unmoored at centre and untethered to their core humanity.

We don't understand it viscerally because, fundamentally, women don't have this vulnerability. And yet, women generally DO understand viscerally how it feels to be used for sex apart from love, or how it feels to be forced, coerced, assaulted, or raped -- clearly apart from love. Because we DO have this vulnerability.

So, if at least some men say unmoored (casual) sex and porn usage harms their humanity and they have a fundamental vulnerability in this area...then IMO we need to pay attention and be sensitive to this, rather than exploiting it, or ignoring it. Because it's not our fundamental vulnerability as women.

Just as when at least some women say exploitation, sexual use or coercion, and/or rape or sexual violence is harmful to us, then we need to pay attention -- and particularly men need to pay attention and be sensitive to it, because it's not their fundamental vulnerability.

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Old 20-09-2019, 07:06 PM
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My opinion is to completely ignore what other people think (including me if you wish) about sex especially spiritual people. As some come off as sexually suppressed people who seem to take out their sexual frustrations on the opposite gender in subtle ways. And some appear to make the topic of sex far more complicated than it really should be.

Perhaps it is best to be honest about how you truly feel and be honest about your intentions with others and follow through. Just keep in mind that others may not be honest about their intentions.
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Old 21-09-2019, 01:17 PM
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Hey there OC :). I like that you said to ignore your advice regarding judgments of others, since we are all strangers to one another here. And since it is really an unkind and uncharitable thing to disparage someone else's well-meaning intentions if that were to be the case. And I am in no way saying that you are doing that to anyone here.

Only that IMO when folks folks post a response with all good intentions, in no way should I you or anyone else attempt to judge them or psychoanalyze them, when we have absolutely no personal knowledge of the other ;)

IMO all we can say is, is someone putting forward a response with what appeared to be good intentions for the original poster, or not? And is there something else that we might add, to contribute to the conversation?

Aside from their intentions, it's really quite a stretch to try to say we can state anything about another person's interior life when we know nothing about them. Particularly regarding whether or not we think someone is sexually frustrated, or is taking sex "too seriously" quote. based on what? The ultimate truth? Or just your own personal opinion of how you'd like sex to be, LOL.

I think those things would fall in the domain solely of a person's private opinion, and largely should be kept to oneself regarding completely unfounded judgments of others' inner workings. Anyway, that would be the approach that I would always drive to take, and that's why I don't comment on other posters' personalities or preferences, because frankly it's just ridiculous to do so.

What could I meaningfully say about you or anyone else here, if I were to follow you and say something like "some people" appear to be frivolous, immature, and or detached? Lol... Oh and sexually amoral.... Because I know you, right?

So it's actually based on what? The fact that "some people" may disagree with me? LOL.... Does any of that mean somehow that you are sexually frustrated, or sexually amoral? Or whatever? It all seems pretty ridiculous and quite a stretch to make any assumptions whatsoever about you personally, it doesn't it? I'd say that I was being out of line while hahaha...and especially because I don't know you or "some people" personally ;)

And what about those "spiritual" people?... Whoever they are, it sounds like they may have gotten the short end of the stick there as well, in your opinion. : Tongue:

So how do we judge someone else's spirituality? Is that really ever acceptable? Does that even make sense when you don't know the other person? Would you want someone else to do that to you? I'm not really certain where a lot of this would lead.

So it's good that you are not doing anything like that, and also that just in case you might have accidentally been doing so, you also said to disregard everything that you say ;).

Peace & blessings : hug3:
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Old 21-09-2019, 01:29 PM
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Hey there OC :). I like that you said to ignore your advice regarding judgments of others, since we are all strangers to one another here. And since it is really an unkind and uncharitable thing to disparage someone else's well-meaning intentions if that were to be the case. And I am in no way saying that you are doing that to anyone here.

Only that IMO when folks folks post a response with all good intentions, in no way should I you or anyone else attempt to judge them or psychoanalyse them, when we have absolutely no personal knowledge of the other ;)

IMO all we can say is, is someone putting forward a response with what appeared to be good intentions for the original poster, or not? And is there something else that we might add, to contribute to the conversation?

Aside from their intentions, it's really quite a stretch to try to say we can state anything about another person's interior life when we know nothing about them. Particularly regarding whether or not we think someone is sexually frustrated, or is taking sex "too seriously". Based on what? The ultimate truth? Or just your own personal opinion of how you'd like sex to be, LOL.

I think those things would fall in the domain solely of a person's private opinion, and largely should be kept to oneself regarding completely unfounded judgments of others' inner workings. Anyway, that would be the approach that I would always drive to take, and that's why I don't comment on other posters' personalities or preferences, because frankly it's just ridiculous to do so.

What could I meaningfully say about you or anyone else here, if I were to follow your response and say something like "some people" appear to be frivolous, immature, and or detached? LOL... Oh and sexually amoral too... Because I know "some people" personally right? Of course, I do not. I am not saying I would ever feel the need to do that, I am just trying to flip this and give you an example of how it looks from the other side.

So my comments would actually be based on what? The fact that "some people" may disagree with me? LOL.... Does any of that mean somehow that they are sexually frustrated, or sexually amoral? Or whatever? It all seems pretty ridiculous and quite a stretch to make any assumptions whatsoever about you personally, it doesn't it? I'd say that I was being out of line hahaha ;) ...and especially because I don't know you or "some people" personally ;)

And what about those "spiritual" people?... Whoever they are, it sounds like they may have gotten the short end of the stick there as well, in your opinion. : Tongue:

So how do we judge someone else's spirituality? Is that really ever acceptable? Does that even make sense when you don't know the other person? Would you want someone else to do that to you? I'm not really certain where a lot of this would lead anyway.

Call me a little old-fashioned in this way but I really do like to think the best of folks whenever possible. So it's good that you are not doing anything like that and also that just in case you might have accidentally been doing so, you also said to disregard everything that you say ;).

Peace & blessings
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