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10-04-2011, 03:56 PM
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OK... but what then is sound? Is all vibration of matter sound? Is all vibration sound?
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all vibration makes sound, that is what sound is, sound exists where there is no matter to vibrate and therefore is a vibration beyond matter
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10-04-2011, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Shabda
all vibration makes sound, that is what sound is, sound exists where there is no matter to vibrate and therefore is a vibration beyond matter
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Ah, ok. That's a bit broader definition than I use for sound. Your definition would imply that light would have a sound associated with it's vibration then?
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10-04-2011, 04:11 PM
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If you listen carefully when there is a light on there is a sound also.
This becomes more apparent when you use a dimmer switch -you
become aware of it much better.
Also, I would say from internal, meditative experience, by His Grace - they
are one and the same.
Of course, this reminds me of the old saying about sound....if a man speaks in the forest and there
is not a woman there to hear him
is he still wrong?
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10-04-2011, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Triner
Ah, ok. That's a bit broader definition than I use for sound. Your definition would imply that light would have a sound associated with it's vibration then?
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yes it does...
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10-04-2011, 04:46 PM
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Does sound have a longer wavelenght vibration then light, it would seem that a vibration has to pass through the lower levels before it could ascend to a higher vibration. But if a vibration could start at any wavelenght as its original level, then light could be first as it would not need to ascend through the sound vibrations.
The concept of speed and time may be a factor also. If a spirit is traveling at the speed of light, would that be sufficient to create a sound?
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10-04-2011, 04:59 PM
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yes it does...
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OK, not exactly my definition from my physics degree. But it if that's what works for you. Cool. That's such a very expansive definition of sound though, it makes it hard to differentiate between light, sound, vibrations, etc.
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10-04-2011, 05:01 PM
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Does sound have a longer wavelenght vibration then light, it would seem that a vibration has to pass through the lower levels before it could ascend to a higher vibration. But if a vibration could start at any wavelenght as its original level, then light could be first as it would not need to ascend through the sound vibrations.
The concept of speed and time may be a factor also. If a spirit is traveling at the speed of light, would that be sufficient to create a sound?
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again you are attributing the laws of physics to sound and light, but when they are above the physical plane the laws of physics mean nothing, if both light and sound start at the absolute highest vibration, then how can you say they need to pas through the lower vibrations to reach the higher ones?those laws do not at all apply, and this is the point im trying to make...
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10-04-2011, 05:03 PM
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OK, not exactly my definition from my physics degree. But it if that's what works for you. Cool. That's such a very expansive definition of sound though, it makes it hard to differentiate between light, sound, vibrations, etc.
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no it isnt lol...first of all that is my point, both light and sound originate from a place that the laws of physics have no relation with or meaning to, they simply do not apply....and the two are pretty easy to tell the difference between, one is seen, the other heard, and these two senses have nothing at all to do with the physical body or senses, free yourself from their limiting point of view...
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10-04-2011, 05:09 PM
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again you are attributing the laws of physics to sound and light, but when they are above the physical plane the laws of physics mean nothing,
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what laws do you think we should consider?
is it not easy to say the law of God can do anything, and such and such can happen in a different plane of reality, yes that is a simple way out. for me there is no deep thought process in saying lets just play on a different reality plane and not have to work at trying to understand how God uses the natural world over, and over, and over, again to teach us things. it is our basic human nature to learn, that is what humans do best, and we learn best by thinking with nature. |
10-04-2011, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Shabda
no it isnt lol...first of all that is my point, both light and sound originate from a place that the laws of physics have no relation with or meaning to, they simply do not apply....and the two are pretty easy to tell the difference between, one is seen, the other heard, and these two senses have nothing at all to do with the physical body or senses, free yourself from their limiting point of view...
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I getcha. Sounds good to me
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