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Old 20-08-2018, 05:58 PM
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The Doctrine of Vibration - Direct Introduction

Significantly, the last Stanza of the second

section ends with the declaration that 'this is the initiation that bestows

Siva's true nature'. In other words, this realisation, attained through the

expanding consciousness of contemplation with the eyes open, initiates the

yogi into the liberated state, which is identification with Siva whose body

is the universe.



In order to attain this expanded state of liberated consciousness, the

yogi must find a spiritual guide because the Master (guru) is the means to

realisation.23 The Master is for his disciple Siva Himself for it is he who

through his initiation, teaching and grace, reveals the secret power of

spiritual discipline. Instructing in the purport of scripture he does more

than simply explain its meaning: he transmits the realisation it can bestow.

The Master is at one with Siva's divine power through which he enlightens

his disciple. It is this power that matters and makes the Master a true

spiritual guide,25 just as it was this same power that led the disciple to him

in his quest for the path that leads to the tranquility that can only be found

'in the abode beyond mind'.26 The Master is the ferry that transports the

disciple over the ocean of thought if, that is, the disciple is ready
. The

disciple must be 'awake' (prabuddha), attending carefully to the pulse of

consciousness. This alert state of wakefulness is at once the keen sensitivity

of insight as well as the receptivity of one who has no other goal to pursue

except enlightenment.



.....



When such a disciple sits before his Master, all he has to do is to gaze

at him and be aware of his elevated state to feel the fragrance (vdsand) of

the Master's transcendental consciousness extending spontaneously

within him.
Abhinava explains:



So gracious is he that, by transferring his own nature to those whose

consciousness is pure, they became one with him at his [mere] sight.




If the disciple does not possess the strength of awareness to allow the

Master to infuse this consciousness into him directly in this way while his

eyes are open, he is instructed to close them. The Master then bestows

upon him a vision of former perfected yogis (siddha) while the disciple is

in a state of contemplation with his eyes closed (nimilanasamddhi).

Through the vision of these perfected yogis (siddhadarSana)94 he

recognises their level of consciousness and so experiences it within himself.

The disciple's consciousness thus suddenly expands within him like the

violent and rapid spread of poison through the body (bhujarigagaralavat).

He thus becomes one with his Master in the unifying bliss of universal

consciousness and so, whether his eyes are open or closed, continues to

enjoy the same state constantly.
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Old 20-08-2018, 05:59 PM
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The above is an example of how a real guru works with a student.
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Old 21-08-2018, 12:36 AM
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Why would consciousness expanding be referred to as like the "violent and rapid spread of poison through the body"?

Seems a bit violent and aggressive, it's not a pleasant experience?
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Why would consciousness expanding be referred to as like the "violent and rapid spread of poison through the body"?

Seems a bit violent and aggressive, it's not a pleasant experience?

he was referring to its power. speed and ability to change the make up of the system.

the last sentence explains the experience.


"He thus becomes one with his Master in the unifying bliss of universal

consciousness and so, whether his eyes are open or closed, continues to

enjoy the same state constantly."
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Significantly, the last Stanza of the second

section ends with the declaration that 'this is the initiation that bestows

Siva's true nature'. In other words, this realisation, attained through the

expanding consciousness of contemplation with the eyes open, initiates the

yogi into the liberated state, which is identification with Siva whose body

is the universe.



In order to attain this expanded state of liberated consciousness, the

yogi must find a spiritual guide because the Master (guru) is the means to

realisation.23 The Master is for his disciple Siva Himself for it is he who

through his initiation, teaching and grace, reveals the secret power of

spiritual discipline. Instructing in the purport of scripture he does more

than simply explain its meaning: he transmits the realisation it can bestow.

The Master is at one with Siva's divine power through which he enlightens

his disciple. It is this power that matters and makes the Master a true

spiritual guide,25 just as it was this same power that led the disciple to him

in his quest for the path that leads to the tranquility that can only be found

'in the abode beyond mind'.26 The Master is the ferry that transports the

disciple over the ocean of thought if, that is, the disciple is ready
. The

disciple must be 'awake' (prabuddha), attending carefully to the pulse of

consciousness. This alert state of wakefulness is at once the keen sensitivity

of insight as well as the receptivity of one who has no other goal to pursue

except enlightenment.



.....



When such a disciple sits before his Master, all he has to do is to gaze

at him and be aware of his elevated state to feel the fragrance (vdsand) of

the Master's transcendental consciousness extending spontaneously

within him.
Abhinava explains:



So gracious is he that, by transferring his own nature to those whose

consciousness is pure, they became one with him at his [mere] sight.




If the disciple does not possess the strength of awareness to allow the

Master to infuse this consciousness into him directly in this way while his

eyes are open, he is instructed to close them. The Master then bestows

upon him a vision of former perfected yogis (siddha) while the disciple is

in a state of contemplation with his eyes closed (nimilanasamddhi).

Through the vision of these perfected yogis (siddhadarSana)94 he

recognises their level of consciousness and so experiences it within himself.

The disciple's consciousness thus suddenly expands within him like the

violent and rapid spread of poison through the body (bhujarigagaralavat).

He thus becomes one with his Master in the unifying bliss of universal

consciousness and so, whether his eyes are open or closed, continues to

enjoy the same state constantly.

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Old 21-08-2018, 02:52 AM
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violent: intense, extreme, strong, powerful, forceful, great, vehement, wild, frenzied, raging, riotous, rampaging, rampant, out of control, stormy, tempestuous, turbulent, tumultuous, intemperate, uncontrolled, unrestrained, uncurbed, unchecked, unbridled, unfettered, uncontrollable, unmanageable, ungovernable, inordinate, excessive, consuming, passionate, overwhelming, immoderate.

poison: a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.

This is the passageway to "unifying bliss of universal consciousness". Perhaps they're describing a premature kundalini process, and as we are by now well aware this can lead to a bodily sort of bliss that engulfs consciousness.

Can it lead to anything else apart from bliss? True Self, Buddha nature, wisdom, leaving the cycle of rebirth, psychic ability, the power to heal miraculously, the power to transform matter?
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violent: intense, extreme, strong, powerful, forceful, great, vehement, wild, frenzied, raging, riotous, rampaging, rampant, out of control, stormy, tempestuous, turbulent, tumultuous, intemperate, uncontrolled, unrestrained, uncurbed, unchecked, unbridled, unfettered, uncontrollable, unmanageable, ungovernable, inordinate, excessive, consuming, passionate, overwhelming, immoderate.

poison: a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.

This is the passageway to "unifying bliss of universal consciousness". Perhaps they're describing a premature kundalini process, and as we are by now well aware this can lead to a bodily sort of bliss that engulfs consciousness.

Can it lead to anything else apart from bliss? True Self, Buddha nature, wisdom, leaving the cycle of rebirth, psychic ability, the power to heal miraculously, the power to transform matter?

ok. lol. that is quite an effort to not understand what was said simply.
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Why would consciousness expanding be referred to as like the "violent and rapid spread of poison through the body"?

Seems a bit violent and aggressive, it's not a pleasant experience?
Namaste.

I don't know much about this..All I know is through my own teachings and lived experience.

When Kechari Mudra is first performed, the secretion is very bitter, bile and toxic. It is like a poison to the system, but one must go through the "purge" before the cleansing and detoxification takes place that leads to higher levels of consciousness...It is a transmutation of energies from the gross to the more subtle vibrations.

It is said that at the churning of the ocean of milk (the upheval of our own altered states of being) by the positive and negative energies or forces, a deadly poison is produced and Siva drinks this, giving him a blue throat...after that, the nectar of Bliss...The Amrita or soma is produced. This is all metaphorical of course, but the implications are enormous.

Siva also took earthly form as the guru, Dakshinamurthy..The jagadguru...who instructed the Sapta Rishis and the four Kumaras...without speaking a single word...Just using the Chin Mudra...Just being in the presence of Dakshinamurthy...gazing into his eyes and bringing ones breath in time with that of the master's breath was enough to ensure Samadhi and liberation.

Unfortunately for many of us, having access to an "enlightened Guru" is totally off the table for this lifetime... especially when one lives in a remote location of a remote county and then, of course, there's always the thing about how does one know if a Guru is enlightened or not? and if they are Siva, why isn't everything else Siva as well?

Suffice to say, I have my own "inner guru" which, if only I was to obey and not ignore due to my ego wishing to dominate or control every aspect of my life, I would be in a much better position than I am currently in.

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ok. lol. that is quite an effort to not understand what was said simply.

The author chose his exact words for a reason, he could have said "Like an exquisite elixir dripping down like sweet nectar to fill the entire body." But he didn't. He said "Violent and rapid spread of poison."

You can't think of any reason why he would have chosen these exact words?
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Old 21-08-2018, 03:17 AM
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Can it lead to anything else apart from bliss? True Self, Buddha nature, wisdom, leaving the cycle of rebirth, psychic ability, the power to heal miraculously, the power to transform matter?

again your making an effort to not understand something that is so simple. you have read a ton of information from what i can gather by being on this forum. bliss and silence is the self. they are one. they by nature dissolve ones karma as many call it. the wisdom is in finding the self. through presence or through intention that power may heal if its meant to be. many folks are psychic. psychic experiences may become more common after finding the self. but is it really that important or as important after finding the self. i dont personally think so. but maybe for some. if thats what there meant to do.
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