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Old 22-12-2017, 03:18 AM
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Spiritual Reflection from NDEr Hiroumi Sunagawa:

"If there is one thing I've learned from my death experience, is that How one receives the messages embedded within, is crucial to a full understanding. There are many souls from many worlds, from an infinite number of backgrounds. We (our souls) are infinite entities, created before the creation of this universe.

Unfortunately, there are too many religious doctrines and beliefs that attempt to nullify the amazing diversity of souls who reside within humans on earth. They attempt to limit all souls as humans desiring a spiritual experience, when in truth we are souls having a human experience. Far too much emphasis is placed on doctrines and dogma, from Karma to Punishment to Reincarnation to Judgment.

What I've learned from my death experience is that God cannot be defined by human comprehension, and that God has more compassion than any religious dogma that preaches judgment and condemnation.

Secondly, that the complexity and incredible beauty of the various NDE stories exist to show others that there isn't merely a single category of souls; that there are an infinite number of "sources". And yes, that also means that there are souls here who have come from higher levels of the spiritual realm, that there are souls here who have traveled across numerous universes, that there are souls here who only desire a "one-off" experience and then depart, that there are souls here who have reincarnated countless times as part of an eternal mission of humanity.

Anyone who claims to know the truth fails to even comprehend the depth and complexity of what is truth. All of us know a portion of truth, a few of us know a portion of deeper truth, even fewer know the hidden (unseeable) aspects of hidden truth, and rarely does a soul arrive who can see the infinity of truth's depth.

For the souls who worry about current events, I beg you to not. For the souls who ignore the needs of the world's suffering, I beg you to not. Worry is evil. Ignorance is evil. And what is evil? It is ignoring compassion of every act of every moment of every day. Don't argue that "it's just business"; don't argue that "it's the requirement of law and order"; don't argue that "someone else will take care of it".

Nearly every single NDEr comes back with the same message: "Everything is about love". Aside from that, everything else (intellectual arguments) means nothing.

Jesus of Nazareth once stated, "Let the dead bury the dead." This may seem harsh to some, but he pointed out those who hold onto doctrines and dogma (Pharisees) are spiritually "dead".

I beg everyone to awaken to the Spirit of Compassion and Truth. Do not allow religion or government or society or man's laws to warp your concepts of "God". Remember, we are all sparks of God, and therefore we are all part of God -- in other words, we are the "force" of God, or the "Holy Spirit" of God. WE decide who to condemn, WE decide who receives mercy, WE decide the boundaries of Mercy, the boundaries of Truth, the boundaries of infinity. Avoid the brainwashing. Learn to know God without any boundaries."

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Old 22-12-2017, 11:08 AM
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What a profound post. I find this to be so very true since having my NDE almost 11 years ago. Indeed, a message filled with wisdom. Thanks for posting, AnotherBob...!
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Old 22-12-2017, 11:42 AM
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Anyone who claims to know the truth fails to even comprehend the depth and complexity of what is truth. All of us know a portion of truth, a few of us know a portion of deeper truth, even fewer know the hidden (unseeable) aspects of hidden truth, and rarely does a soul arrive who can see the infinity of truth's depth.

For the souls who worry about current events, I beg you to not. For the souls who ignore the needs of the world's suffering, I beg you to not. Worry is evil. Ignorance is evil. And what is evil? It is ignoring compassion of every act of every moment of every day. Don't argue that "it's just business"; don't argue that "it's the requirement of law and order"; don't argue that "someone else will take care of it".

Nearly every single NDEr comes back with the same message: "Everything is about love". Aside from that, everything else (intellectual arguments) means nothing.

I like what you have said here. Everything is indeed about Love. We are all in a constant state of transition, from one event to another in our lives and evolutionary journey, we are going through death in various ways. And sometimes a certain trigger in our lives, a sudden death might anyways trigger a larger understanding about the importance of death. There are various sources and it's rare that anyone knows the truth. Any one perspective isn't the ultimate perspective/ truth of all existence. There is much to 'truth' than we know and it's rare someone knows deeper of the existence.
There is much superficiality and petty arguments/ intellectual and mental pursuits that really diminish the value of a deeper existence. There are plenty of ego traps, and plenty of people who fall for those traps and preach it with conviction. Compassion knows no bounds. It isn't about this is mine, this is your', this is my business and this is your's. This is my space and this is your's. I believe too many people want the side effects, the rewards and very few really have the courage to follow something bigger than themselves. And few know the way. Death can be a very humbling experience and the beginning of a stronger path for those who do not know. Sincere seekers are few and far in between, and even lesser so the true masters.
Death in spiritual/ physical sense is the beginning of what is real, because the reality we live is but a dream. The more shadows we hold within us, the scarier is the experience of death itself. For those with good hearts death can be a beautiful experience.
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Old 22-12-2017, 12:06 PM
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AnotherBob. That really makes nice reading. I just wonder if any one of the Syrian refugees living in make-do shelters and tents would be so ready to accept this as said. Would you also suggest they shouldn't worry as their children lie dying in the cold...
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Old 22-12-2017, 04:58 PM
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Has anybody here read Seth / Jane Roberts? It's worth reading and pondering upon.
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Old 22-12-2017, 09:05 PM
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AnotherBob. That really makes nice reading. I just wonder if any one of the Syrian refugees living in make-do shelters and tents would be so ready to accept this as said. Would you also suggest they shouldn't worry as their children lie dying in the cold...

I got the feeling this was written more for us relatively wealthy folk watching people who are in dire straights and not doing anything, than it was for the people in dire straights.
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Old 22-12-2017, 09:56 PM
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There is so much truth to the OP's post. I think along the same lines. Politics, society rules, religion, world problems are all illusions to keep us from seeing that we are here just to learn. To have the human experience as the OP has said.

I will go further to say I believe those who are hurting or hungry or dying are also having their own human experience. I do what I can but in the long run I have to allow those having dark experiences complete their mission and then they can move on. Then they will have learned their lessons they came here to learn.

For the child who is being abused, I can say I was also abused when I was a child, and if I had not had those experiences I would not be the person I am today.

For the person who is starving, who am I to say that person is not fulfilling a karmic debt.

It's all so intricate. A dance of shadow and light. And it will go on and on. Generation after generation. Though it breaks my heart to see tragedy, I for one, understand this plane of existence exists for a reason. Those who incarnate here chose to come here and chose the lessons they wanted to learn.

And no, I have not had a NDE but I have had more tragedy in my life than most which has opened my eyes to the world as it really is: a place to learn. And learning doesn't come easy.
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Old 22-12-2017, 11:25 PM
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Spiritual Reflection from NDEr Hiroumi Sunagawa:

"If there is one thing I've learned from my death experience, is that How one receives the messages embedded within, is crucial to a full understanding. There are many souls from many worlds, from an infinite number of backgrounds. We (our souls) are infinite entities, created before the creation of this universe.

Unfortunately, there are too many religious doctrines and beliefs that attempt to nullify the amazing diversity of souls who reside within humans on earth. They attempt to limit all souls as humans desiring a spiritual experience, when in truth we are souls having a human experience. Far too much emphasis is placed on doctrines and dogma, from Karma to Punishment to Reincarnation to Judgment.

What I've learned from my death experience is that God cannot be defined by human comprehension, and that God has more compassion than any religious dogma that preaches judgment and condemnation.

Secondly, that the complexity and incredible beauty of the various NDE stories exist to show others that there isn't merely a single category of souls; that there are an infinite number of "sources". And yes, that also means that there are souls here who have come from higher levels of the spiritual realm, that there are souls here who have traveled across numerous universes, that there are souls here who only desire a "one-off" experience and then depart, that there are souls here who have reincarnated countless times as part of an eternal mission of humanity.

Anyone who claims to know the truth fails to even comprehend the depth and complexity of what is truth. All of us know a portion of truth, a few of us know a portion of deeper truth, even fewer know the hidden (unseeable) aspects of hidden truth, and rarely does a soul arrive who can see the infinity of truth's depth.

For the souls who worry about current events, I beg you to not. For the souls who ignore the needs of the world's suffering, I beg you to not. Worry is evil. Ignorance is evil. And what is evil? It is ignoring compassion of every act of every moment of every day. Don't argue that "it's just business"; don't argue that "it's the requirement of law and order"; don't argue that "someone else will take care of it".

Nearly every single NDEr comes back with the same message: "Everything is about love". Aside from that, everything else (intellectual arguments) means nothing.

I beg everyone to awaken to the Spirit of Compassion and Truth. Do not allow religion or government or society or man's laws to warp your concepts of "God". Remember, we are all sparks of God, and therefore we are all part of God -- in other words, we are the "force" of God, or the "Holy Spirit" of God. WE decide who to condemn, WE decide who receives mercy, WE decide the boundaries of Mercy, the boundaries of Truth, the boundaries of infinity. Avoid the brainwashing. Learn to know God without any boundaries."

https://www.facebook.com/IANDS.NDE/p...29963440388427

My drive was for truth and I have to disagree about the depth and complexity aspect it's actually very simple assuming we're all revealed the same truth on enlightenment which appears to be so we learn we are all serving God (or our perception of source) and that we share our gifts with others. Hardly earth shattering revelations but a life changing experience in the form of a religious and spiritual ceremony. We need psychic development which accompanies spiritual growth to perceive these events hence very few hit enlightenment before the age of 45.

It must be a first hand experience and it's the journey and the reason behind it that's important, you'll be missing the spiritual development hence a key sentence won't carry much weight.

To my understanding there is only one source and there is human law - an eye for an eye is aligned with this and spiritual law which is a higher law, a higher order of right from wrong than that displayed in human culture but with which some are aligned, falls under the power of crow in NA spirituality.

Totally agree we have a divine aspect to our nature I see it as the creative life force that flows through us and drives us to create something but it does not make our actions divine or inline with Gods Will because this pure force is adulterated by our human aspect, we are the channel but we may choose to create evil and I'm not referring to an absence of compassion or ignorance that's just indifference.

Under human law yes we do decide who to condemn and who receives mercy but only in line with our current spiritual development, what we're evolving to is understanding of and alignment with higher law and order, nothing happens on earth without a counterbalance by higher law like a homeostatic mechanism but that's an essay on it's own as it's not quite that simple within the bigger picture.

The only boundaries to truth imho are our perceptions, fears, shadow qualities and subconscious drives. I've never experienced a near death situation what a lovely message totally agree love is the force that makes the world go round and that God is that force

I think the Bible Age was/is totally necessary for spiritual evolution but we're coming to the end of it as we hit the new age spirituality which is the core thread of all religions batting for the right which is where we'll meet in the middle on higher understanding. What we'll learn from The Bible after the big reveal is the nature of our reality and what we've shaped into form, higher order, and how to manifest what we want. One thing's for sure there will be a new order in the world as we rise higher the only question is will it be willingly or by force?
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Old 23-12-2017, 12:51 AM
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There is so much truth to the OP's post. I think along the same lines. Politics, society rules, religion, world problems are all illusions to keep us from seeing that we are here just to learn. To have the human experience as the OP has said.

I will go further to say I believe those who are hurting or hungry or dying are also having their own human experience. I do what I can but in the long run I have to allow those having dark experiences complete their mission and then they can move on. Then they will have learned their lessons they came here to learn.

For the child who is being abused, I can say I was also abused when I was a child, and if I had not had those experiences I would not be the person I am today.

For the person who is starving, who am I to say that person is not fulfilling a karmic debt.

It's all so intricate. A dance of shadow and light. And it will go on and on. Generation after generation. Though it breaks my heart to see tragedy, I for one, understand this plane of existence exists for a reason. Those who incarnate here chose to come here and chose the lessons they wanted to learn.

And no, I have not had a NDE but I have had more tragedy in my life than most which has opened my eyes to the world as it really is: a place to learn. And learning doesn't come easy.

I don't pretend to know the answer at this point. While I know people are being treated unkindly and unfairly you do bring up good points about learning lessons.

I had written more but never mind it was completely unfair.

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Old 23-12-2017, 12:35 PM
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It would be a terrible state of affairs if any 'God' looked down upon the misery upon this planet and thought to him/her/itself 'that little diseased, helpless, hungry, suffering child brought this on himself - because he has to learn the errors of his/her ways'. What a lovely philosophy.
He/She/it (god) would also obviously be aware that the pain and hurt the parent(s) of this child are suffering is of their own making.

That's disgusting. Revolting. Sickening. That's not love.

If this is the way that some god wants us to be taught then it must be OK to drop bombs on people, to burn them to death, to coat them in Napalm, to tear their insides out. Let's get on with it, the quicker it's done the better off we'll all be. (Not us mind you - it's 'the others' who need it - they don't understand)

Come on, get a grip. It can't be like that otherwise we are doomed, doomed in the sense that if there is such a god we are already being used as playthings, like a child pulling the wings of flies. We dÓdn't teach our own children by beating them or letting them go hungry but by having respect for them and trying to show how love works.

Calling any suffering 'a human experience' loses sight of any understanding of the ways of the universe and assumes that cause and effect is there to punish, so involving hell and eternal fire. Just as religious fanatics like it to be.

Our experiences in this world are all that we have and basically depend upon our free will, don't get us more confused.
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