A question for Buddhists.

[mulyo13]

Originally Posted by sky123

SOURCE....
Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh ordained 70 years ago.

I've read Thich Nhat Hanh books and never teach sunyata = nothingness.

[sky]

Originally Posted by mulyo13

I've read Thich Nhat Hanh books and never teach sunyata = nothingness.

You will do one day

Nirvana = Nothingness=Void.

There is "No thingness " to be experienced in Zen Buddhism.

[sky]

Nothing is sacred in Zen:**it is a central theme, an essential concept in Zen thought. Yet it is not a concept, for there is no conceptualization in true Zen; and there is no Zen thought, for there is no thought in true Zen.**Nothing is, rather, something that is experienced and not merely conceptualized.**Yet nothing is no "thing" as all, for there is no "thing" to be experienced in Zen:**the experienced and the experiencer and the experiencing are all one and the same.*Sunyata, nothingness is the heart of Zen.


This might help you understand Mulyo
Some schools use emptiness, Zen uses nothingness.....

[mulyo13]

Originally Posted by sky123

You will do one day

Nirvana = Nothingness=Void.

There is "No thingness " to be experienced in Zen Buddhism.

I don't think so

Heart sutra (Prajnaparamita sutra) is one of the most important sutra in Chan/Zen/Seon, and teach emptiness not nothingness.

Originally Posted by sky123

Nothing is sacred in Zen:**it is a central theme, an essential concept in Zen thought. Yet it is not a concept, for there is no conceptualization in true Zen; and there is no Zen thought, for there is no thought in true Zen.**Nothing is, rather, something that is experienced and not merely conceptualized.**Yet nothing is no "thing" as all, for there is no "thing" to be experienced in Zen:**the experienced and the experiencer and the experiencing are all one and the same.*Sunyata, nothingness is the heart of Zen.


This might help you understand Mulyo
Some schools use emptiness, Zen uses nothingness.....

I do understand what you say and I'm not saying that you're right or wrong. You can define sunyata in words as you like, or maybe you have your own definition about nothingness, but common understanding/definition of nothingness is totally different with emptiness/sunyata.
I won't explain what is the differences in words, because there is limitation in words to explain what the actually is.

I'm also 101% sure Plum Village never teach sunyata = nothingness.
I'll send massage to Plum Village about 'sunyata = nothingness', so everything is clear. I'll post the update later.

[CSEe]

Originally Posted by mulyo13

Buddhism teach 'emptiness', not 'nothingness'. Emptiness/sunyata and nothingness is totally different.

In my current mind ,Buddhism is a process of realization not a gauge determination of knowledge ...as one attached to knowledge , one will always in circle of own confusion ........in my current mind , Buddhism is you realizing your own existence and the cause of your existence .......is what you realize not what you learn to know

[sky]

Originally Posted by mulyo13

I don't think so

Heart sutra (Prajnaparamita sutra) is one of the most important sutra in Chan/Zen/Seon, and teach emptiness not nothingness.





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I do understand what you say and I'm not saying that you're right or wrong. You can define sunyata in words as you like, or maybe you have your own definition about nothingness, but common understanding/definition of nothingness is totally different with emptiness/sunyata.
I won't explain what is the differences in words, because there is limitation in words to explain what the actually is.p

I'm also 101% sure Plum Village never teach sunyata = nothingness.
I'll send massage to Plum Village about 'sunyata = nothingness', so everything is clear. I'll post the update later.

Mulyo, attachment to your " Sunyata " seems to be the problem....

I understand the difference between emptiness/nothingness but you can explain if you would like to.

[mulyo13]

Originally Posted by mulyo13

I'm also 101% sure Plum Village never teach sunyata = nothingness.
I'll send massage to Plum Village about 'sunyata = nothingness', so everything is clear. I'll post the update later.

I asked my friend who is in the Plum village community, and he suggesting it's better to show a video at Youtube where Thich Nhat Hanh explaining about 'emptiness is not nothingness'.
Hope everything is clear _/\_

youtube[dot]com/watch?v=vA2c7ViZx-I

*My post is still below 15 and can't make direct link

Originally Posted by CSEe

In my current mind ,Buddhism is a process of realization not a gauge determination of knowledge ...as one attached to knowledge , one will always in circle of own confusion ........in my current mind , Buddhism is you realizing your own existence and the cause of your existence .......is what you realize not what you learn to know

In your current mind, 'a process of realization' it self is also a knowledge. It also can called as a concept, perception, thought,... etc. If we attached to it, it's fine, because it's not easy for not attached to it. It will need time and practice to not attached to it. The most important is, to realized if the self is attached to it. Because this is the first step of a journey. Theory, sutras, quotation,... etc is our guidance for not going to the wrong path.

[sky]

No one is saying that "emptiness" is the same as "nothingness " you seem to have misunderstood.

What I am saying is that the word " Sunyata " is used in Zen to mean "nothingness " but other schools use " Sunyata " as emptiness.

We are going around in circles, you are attached to your idea of " Sunyata " and I am trying to explain that different schools use different ways of teachings.

I will leave the conversation here.......no attachment

[mulyo13]

Originally Posted by sky123

No one is saying that "emptiness" is the same as "nothingness " you seem to have misunderstood.

What I am saying is that the word " Sunyata " is used in Zen to mean "nothingness " but other schools use " Sunyata " as emptiness.

We are going around in circles, you are attached to your idea of " Sunyata " and I am trying to explain that different schools use different ways of teachings.

I will leave the conversation here.......no attachment

Please watch again youtube[dot]com/watch?v=vA2c7ViZx-I
Thich Nhat Hanh him self said Sunyata = Emptiness.
I just want to make everything clear, Sunyata = Emptiness in Chan/Zen/Seon.

[CSEe]

You said I quote " In your current mind, 'a process of realization' it self is also a knowledge. It also can called as a concept, perception, thought,... etc. If we attached to it, it's fine, because it's not easy for not attached to it. It will need time and practice to not attached to it. The most important is, to realized if the self is attached to it. Because this is the first step of a journey. Theory, sutras, quotation,... etc is our guidance for not going to the wrong path." Un-quote

I could not agree with you mostly , but in my current mind , PERHAPS as one awaken to Buddhism , one is no longer holding on to the mind ...one realized the mind is constantly travelling in a natural process of Buddhism ...one will awakening to the mind but if one has accepted anything as a guide ...one is still holding on to the mind itself and this is leading one to longer journey into realization ...and suffering is the nature of this journey