Jesus being Vegetarian?

[Amilius777]

"There is none that are righteous, not one"

Listen...um wasn't these books written during a very dark time in our history? Majority of human beings were so corrupted and at a tribal mentality. That is why they sacrificed animals, not only in Judea but also out in the Far East.

Animal sacrifice on a large scale came to an end around the First Century.

Does this righteousness have to do with everyday moral codes? Sexual experiences? Murdering someone? etc. People in every culture had some sense of right and wrong that killing someone was bad. Many Roman Emperors didn't get away with what they did because people have always possessed a conscience where they knew no way this aint gonna fly!

Don't you think maybe Righteousness has to do with being Right, or right with God vs. self-righteousness? It would be silly to think that a lot of those Old Testament prophets were all unrighteous and evil. Sure they might've made mistakes and they weren't perfect.

An example of righteousness is when Jesus bowed before the Baptist and asked him to baptized him even though he was spiritually advanced beyond the need of water cleansing. Why was that right? Because it isn't about who is greater or more privileged. There isn't hierarchy among God's children. We are all in this together, the pure and impure. We all make up for our own Karma and the Karma of others. We belong to one another in a single Body of interconnectedness that St. Paul called 'The body of Christ". Jesus had to set an example of humility and self-emptying of any ego.

So don't you think maybe what the Bible is saying is that no one was "in the right" when it came to the Truth completely? Jesus came along who was pure, humble, and knew the truth of himself and ourselves but he also set an example and didn't lord his gifts nor his spiritual Knowledge over others as do many who feel they are God's gift to the universe. He truly was a Gift because he also walked the talk and even died doing it out of his compassion for friends and enemies alike. But now that there is a clearer teaching and message of God through Jesus we can now interpret even the Old Testament the "RIGHT" way. Jesus got human life completely right while walking in a 3D body so now everyone knows what's righteousness now.

God is Love. God doesn't require a blood sacrifice. Jesus did that out of his own free will and due to the times and religious climate that didn't tolerate his Knowledge and wisdom. This tragedy he went through serves to humanity that God is suffering with us through our own crosses, but we must bear our crosses with the right attitude if we wish to see our own Resurrection. If you follow the way of Jesus on the Cross which is the way of God; forgiveness and grace to your enemies not only will you be saved but others will be released from their bondage as well. You stop the cycle of violence or sin in ourselves and others. That IS the salvation

This blood sacrifice thing doesn't make sense to me in the literal sense. You have Buddha, Lao Tzu, Mahavira, and Confucius in the East who were born before Jesus was alive and they all became "Enlightened" at some point in their lifetimes and were similar to Jesus. I don't recall Jesus having to go through all the hardships, penance, struggling, and intensity that all went through to reach Enlightenment because everyone's journey is different, but like I said they were all highly evolved and are very much higher ascended on the Other Side.

[neil]

[quote=Morpheus]As the old testament scripture states, carried over to the new...
"There are none righteous, no not one."

Even being a vegan does not make one righteous,...《SO TRUE MORPHEOUS..BUT BEING A PERSON WHO LIVES A VEGAN LIFESTYLE MAKES THAT PERSON A MORE RIGHTEOUS PERSON THAN SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A VEGAN..》GOD SAID IT ONCE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT IN "GENESIS"↓↓↓↓

((I GIVE YOU EVERY SEED BEARING PLANT ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTHAND EVERY TREE THAT HAS FRUIT WITH SEED IN IT. THEY WILL BE YOURS FOR FOOD.

AND WHERE EVER ELSE THAT IT STATES THAT WE CAN CONSUME THE ANIMALS...WELL THAT NONSENSE WAS PLACED INTO THE MINDS OF THE PERSONS WHO TRANSCRIBED THE SCRIPTURES. BY VERY DARK BEINGS THAT WERE CONNECTED TO HUMANS AND WHO COULD NOT STAND HAVING TO LIVE OF A RAW VEGAN DIET THROUGH THE SENCES OF THEIR UNWITTING HUMAN HOST THAT THEY WERE CONNECTED TO.

Tobi. Salvation involves the grace, and mercy of God, in the atoning sacrifice of the Passover Lamb.....←《SO TRUE AGAIN MORPHEOUS》.....BUT THE PASS OVER LAMB IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF GOD AND WHICH IS THE CORNER STONE AND CAP STONE...(("TO USE YOUR OWN WORDS")) AND JESUS IS NOT ANY OF THESE...HE IS NOT GOD AND CANNOT DISPENCE OF GODS VERY ESSENCE "OUT TO ANYONE"

"GODS LOVE AND VERY ESSENCE".....←"WHICH is righteousness"......
is applied to the reciever and subscriber.... (OF GODS VERY ESSENCE, WHICH WILL THEN TRANSFORM AND RECONSTRUCT THE SOUL OF MAN AND WOMAN, EVENTUALLY BRINGING THAT PERSON INTO DIVINE HARMONY WITH GOD.) ""AND TO BEING TRUE CHILDREN OF GOD.""

JESUS CANNOT DISPENSE OF THE CHRIST CONSCIOUS ENERGY OF GODS VERY ESSENCE....BECAUSE JESUS IS NOT GOD AND DOES NOT HAVE AN EVER FLOWING FOUNTAIN OF GODS VERY ESSENCE FLOWING FROM HIM....""PERIOD""

"Christ died once....←TRUE, (BUT NOT AS YOU SAY HERE)→(the righteous for the unrighteous)...NO HE DIED FROM ""MURDER""..FOR BRINGING THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE REBESTOWAL OF GODS VERY ESSENCE BACK TO ONE AND ALL.

THERE IS SO MUCH THAT YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF ABOUT GOD, AND LOVING MORALS... BECAUSE OF YOUR BELIEF IN THE BIBLE....
AND THAT IS MADE EVIDENT IN ALL OF YOUR POST, iN THAT THEY ARE CONSTANTLY UNLOVINGLY FORMULATED AND NOT SHOWING ANY HUMILITY AT ALL.....AND OR LOVE FOR THE ANIMALS THAT ARE SLAUGHTERED FOR YOUR STOMACK AND COMFORT. AND I DO NOT MIND SAYING THIS PUBLICLY AS YOU YOUR SELF SPEAKS UNLOVINGLY PUBLICLY WHILST TRYING TO HAVE EVERY ONE CONFORM TO YOUR BELIEFS.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE FOUR WEEKS OF WORK AND TRAVEL TO SOME OF THE SLAUGHTER HOUSES AND HOLDING ENCLOSURES THAT TRAP THE POOR ANIMALS THAT ARE BEING MADE AVAILABLE FOR SUCH AN UNLOVING END TO THEIR EARTHLY LIVES.

AND SEE IF YOU COULD KILL THOSE ANIMALS YOUR SELF.

AND WHILE YOUR AT IT YOU MIGHT EVEN WORK ON A SEA TRAWLING VESSEL, AND WITNESS THE CRUELTY THAT GOES ON THERE *** WELL.

YOU KNOW WHAT MORPHEOUS. .....I'LL EVEN BET THAT JESUS WOULD EVEN RATHER TO HAVE HAD HIS HUMAN FLESH PERISH BEFORE HE WERE TO HAVE SUSTAINED IT VIA THE ANIMAL AND MAMMAL KINGDOMS.......AND TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I WILL LET MY FLESH PERISH BEFORE I SUSTAIN IT VIA THE ANIMALS AND MAMMALS .

I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT IF A PERSON WISHES TO BECOME AT ONE WITH OUR HEAVENLY FATHER. ....THAT THEY CANNOT COME TO HIM FULLY AND BE TRANSFORMED OF SOUL INTO THAT OF A "CHRISTED BEING"...IF THEY CHOOSE TO COME TO HIM THROUGH THE SACRIFICE AND DEATH OF ANY ONE OF HIS CREATION....""GREAT OR SMALL""............PERIOD.

AND TO THE MODERATORS,,I HAVE SPOKEN TO MORPHEOUS IN THE SAME WAY THAT HE SPEAKS TO MOSTLY EVERYONE ELSE SO MAY YOU HAVE PITTY ON MY POOR SELF AND MY FORUM MEMBERSHIP.......SMILES.....Neil.

AND TO "TOBI" AND "KNIGHT"....GO YOU GOOD PERSONS...KEEP UP THE FIGHT FOR THE ANIMAL AND MAMMAL KINGNDOMS....YEAH !
OH AND EVERY ONE ELSE THAT CHOOSES TO DO SO ALSO.

I'll EVEN BET THAT JESUS IS RIGHTLY PROUD OF US ALL..SMILES.

[Morpheus]

Neil, you for one are posting contrarily regarding your response, and mixing two subject matters. Both you, and you're vegan colleagues don't recognize this.

You say, " So true Morpheus", and then spout that vegans are more righteous than others. CONTRARY.

I agree, modern farming is not overseen as well as it should be regarding humane practices, and that eating less meat is a good idea. If not abstaining altogether. IF ONE could adhere to a vegan diet, yes that would be a more human lifestyle, but again, no one is perfect, and God does not make this a requirement for reconciliation with Him, and salvation!
This kind of thing could end up being a stumbling block for someone who doesn't live a perfect vegan lifestyle.
Also, people are different. Some will require a higher more complete protein diet that includes meat in it to be healthy.
In which case you and colleagues become the food Nazi's. Don't you.
However?

NONE OF THIS INVOLVING DIET HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ESTABLISHED FOUNDATION OF GOD, OF RECONCILIATION AND HIS SALVATION.
NAMELY THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ATONING SACRIFICES...
WHICH JESUS IS THE COMPLETION, AND THE CAPSTONE OF!

AS WELL? HE IS CALLED THE, "CHIEF CORNERSTONE" ALSO, BECAUSE...
HE IS THE FATHER INCARNATE!
AS LONG PROPHESIED THROUGH THE AGES OF THE WRITINGS, THAT HE WOULD BE!
Now, the "chief cornerstone" is the important stone which is laid first in a building, and, is foremost!

So, you err. As do your colleagues.

And, if you were a Christian, you would recognize this! Understanding salvation.
As your vegan colleagues would also.

You are confusing a ground level viewpoint and perception, with a greater heavenly one.

Re: "Chief Cornerstone"...

Ephesians 2:20 - New Testament
Psalms 118:22 - Old Testament

As well, the fact that you reject the Word of God in the 66 books gathered together by God's appointed men, further dismisses your claim to being, "Christians".

Now, you may be aware that the reigning Jewish leadership, also, had very strict dietary laws they were to adhere to from early on. Though it didn't involve veganism.
In the Book of Acts, Peter was given instruction by God while in prayer that this no longer applied since Christ's atonement for mankind.
As well? We read how the Messiah Himself stated, "It's not what goes into a man that makes him unclean, but what comes out of him."

[knightofalbion]

I think something may have been 'lost in translation' with Neil's post, though I understand what he is saying.

The gist of it - There is blood on one's hands, dead flesh on one's lips and a stone in one's heart and one is expecting to sky rocket up the spheres of light? Good luck with that.

'Faith without charity (in ancient terminology, loving kindness) is dead. Love is the fulfilling of the Law',
Let he who understands understand.

And Morpheus, if you are going to quote the allegory of Matthew v1-20, cite the whole piece, don't cherry pick one verse and take it out of context.

[Morpheus]

Perhaps you might want to say that Veganism ought to be a natural result and consequence of salvation. However, to try to declare that salvation hinges on it is wholly wrong and errant.
Again, no evidence for it.

Salvation, involves the atoning sacrifice for sin, which Jesus became. As we can read about in prophecy, again, in the old testament scriptures.

Again knight, the Lord had stated that when John came fasting, they said he had a demon. When He Himself came eating and drinking, they said He was a glutton and winebibber.

And, again... saying, "it is not what goes into a person that makes them unclean, but comes out".
Which is about the spirit and the heart.

So yes, once a person is come to their destiny involving salvation, as they grow and understand more and more, they ought to be less the carnivore. Especially with respect to common modern farming methods and practices.

To say that the salvation of God is dependent on it..? Contrary.

[Amilius777]

Atonement- At-one-Ment

When I read the story of Abraham and his son I think that is the symbol and message God was using to the world in the death of Jesus.

Abraham was asked to sacrifice his own son which was his most prized and beloved possession for the sake of God. Abraham was about to do it until God stepped in. God never intends anyone to shed blood. The story is simply a lesson that one must give up their most prized possession, their "son/offspring" to have greater Love. Now it's not necessarily a literal son. The son represents Self-love, love in your inner circle whether that be you and your intermediate family or friends. It is your ego which isn't a bad thing but limited in love. Abraham giving up his son for God is expanding his Love for God and for the bigger family.

Jesus who lived a Perfect life, perfectly and willingly gave up Man's prized-possession for the sake of his divine mission- his own Ego and body. And God who sent Jesus was giving up his own Self, his Godself in the form of Jesus to the world. God was handing his own Self- Christ to the saints and even the worst of sinners to show his All-Inclusive Love for all things. Unfortunately Man having drifted so far from the Christ-Consciousness within; collectively killed Jesus who was the Christ-Consciousness (God's Self) as a living Man.

If God loves so much to the point where He/She lays their own Self down at the hands of death and suffering for the Love of all, how could we boast about anything good that we do unless we FOLLOW that example of self-emptying and giving to all. It is through Necessary suffering from others that we not only expand in Compassion as the Buddha would teach, but go even further to what Christ perfectly taught as Love. Our atonement is following that Road Map that Jesus demonstrated.

To know that we are THAT Loved, loved even unto death, even the most wretched is Loved by God then what is stopping us from Loving ourselves and our neighbors? The only thing stopping us is our Ego; which Christ showed us how to overcome- "forgive them Lord for they not know what they do!"