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01-11-2011, 01:04 PM
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Why believe in God, if you have never experienced Him?
Just curious...bec as I read on forums it seems apparent so many have not
experienced Him/It/She.
Is it just something built inside you to believe?
Something in the soul?
I think trust is a good thing - I mean,
there are so many beautiful scriptures, so
some of them must be right, right? Is that why?
And if one believes, but has never experienced Him - do
you seek Him/It/ She?
Father, Mother, Vishnu, Krishna, the Divine?
Jesus and Krishna have both said, Abide in me --- how does one do that
if you have never experienced Him?
And yet I read many still believe?
Thanks
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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01-11-2011, 01:22 PM
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I think Faith is a gateway belief - it inevitably leads to making real in one's mind what one feels in their heart.
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01-11-2011, 01:29 PM
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Everywhere we look around us is the experience of something greater than we know. A baby growing in her mothers belly, a flower, the human eye or brain, all of nature, the sky, the stars............where can there be that we do not experience God?
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01-11-2011, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteShaman
Everywhere we look around us is the experience of something greater than we know. A baby growing in her mothers belly, a flower, the human eye or brain, all of nature, the sky, the stars............where can there be that we do not experience God?
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Good morning WS!
Well said - but that is a matter of perspective, and I think the question is what 'advantage' is this perspective if it is purely a mental construct, without supporting experience?
One word - Humility. The perspective of acceptance of a Higher Power has vast implications for grounding and respecting the inner and outer universe. I will add, however, that even entertaining the possibility of a Higher Power has a profound effect on consciousness - so much I doubt one can really fully separate the thought from the experience, in some small but definite way, when open to it.
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01-11-2011, 01:45 PM
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Good morning Humm........
I guess what I am suggesting is that if one looks around, in depth, like the workings of the human eye or gravity, he/she would naturally come to the conclusion that there is intelligence behind it all.
I don't see how one could not, so to me it isn't really a matter of perspective.
What the intelligence is is another story but it is obviously there and being experienced, even if only as the unknown...............no?
Maybe I am misunderstanding.........
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01-11-2011, 02:07 PM
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Well......
My understanding is that all stable perspectives are self-reinforcing. This is not a statement of 'truth', either way. A skeptic says the same thing, that his conclusions are obvious and self-evident.
The (definitive) difference, IMO, of the Spiritual perspective versus the linear/physical is that it originates from inner openness.
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01-11-2011, 02:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Humm
Well......
My understanding is that all stable perspectives are self-reinforcing. This is not a statement of 'truth', either way. A skeptic says the same thing, that his conclusions are obvious and self-evident.
The (definitive) difference, IMO, of the Spiritual perspective versus the linear/physical is that it originates from inner openness.
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I hear what you are saying.........
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01-11-2011, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Just curious...bec as I read on forums it seems apparent so many have not
experienced Him/It/She.
Is it just something built inside you to believe?
Something in the soul?
I think trust is a good thing - I mean,
there are so many beautiful scriptures, so
some of them must be right, right? Is that why?
And if one believes, but has never experienced Him - do
you seek Him/It/ She?
Father, Mother, Vishnu, Krishna, the Divine?
Jesus and Krishna have both said, Abide in me --- how does one do that
if you have never experienced Him?
And yet I read many still believe?
Thanks
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I talk to him to my soul. I say I know you are there you are God unconditional love.. I cry. I take deep breaths not under my control etc.
(with some practice)
I am God.. There is no doubt.
1) 8000 years of mystical experience says correct.
2) I am God because I can be (unconditional love)
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01-11-2011, 02:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Just curious...bec as I read on forums it seems apparent so many have not
experienced Him/It/She.
Is it just something built inside you to believe?
Something in the soul?
I think trust is a good thing - I mean,
there are so many beautiful scriptures, so
some of them must be right, right? Is that why?
And if one believes, but has never experienced Him - do
you seek Him/It/ She?
Father, Mother, Vishnu, Krishna, the Divine?
Jesus and Krishna have both said, Abide in me --- how does one do that
if you have never experienced Him?
And yet I read many still believe?
Thanks
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Its all culture. WE are brought up with that idea, even if we arent taught it by the parents. ITs EVERYWHERE in our culture, even if your christian or not. The west is highly influenced by christianity, and the notion of male domainance. And even that, that depends on the society. Iroquois women were the rightful property owner, and took care of everything besides war, and hunting/fishing. The men even shaved off all of their body hair, and kept either long, or the typical 'mohawk" hairstyle.
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01-11-2011, 02:34 PM
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People's need in believing in God has to do with what they need. Seek what they need and see why they believe or not believe in God.
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