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Old 10-10-2019, 02:05 AM
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Don't know of any correlation between Jesus Christ and the North Star.

There is a story that the North Star or Home fire has lost his
Beautiful human wife and is still grieving.



Thanks for your kind comments.
I did watch the North star last night and kept track of time counterclockwise
by watching the Big Bear/Dipper.
Thanks for bringing up the North Star.
Many people wonder why Mongolians, Siberians – ‘us’ use the Swastika symbol, but …well, hello:
https://eldermountain.files.wordpres...ika.jpg?w=1000

And because at this moment I am a ‘Pole Star Evangelist’ & I had sometimes wondered if ‘Native Americans’ had the Pole Star – as the Centre of the Universe lore. But it doesn’t seem that you do. Thanks for telling the Lakota story.

You know I am a small part ‘Amerind’ – right?
Well, I am notnot really, it is just that once upon a time we shared the same Ancient North Eurasian Ancestry of which I am ~ 20%, …. of which I still share 12.50% with modern Amerinds … which is then mostly being absorbed by my Siberian-Amerind affinity DNA.

But it is mainly:
Maya Mexico
Aymara Bolivia
Totenac Mexico
Pima Mexico
Amerindian Colombia
Karitiana Brazil
Surui Brazil
….. and in that order, according to some 'experts'.

‘They’ have said that when the Ancient North Eurasian descendants moved to Americas, they carried the Centre of the Universe lore with them, but because the skies in the Southern Hemisphere are different to the North, they made the Southern Cross the Centre. Hence some similarities or parallels are supposed to be found in their Chakana symbolism.
(We use the image of that symbol, but I can’t remember what it means/meant, 8 cornered Earth or something & the breakthrough from plane to plane to the upper or to the lower worlds through the hole in the middle ….. not sure, have to look it up.)

Also in the same vein– if I am looking for those echoes of the ancient past for example in ‘Spider Mother’ lores – those might better be found in South America.

But if a person is a Christian missionary and tells his Siberian audience that Christ is the Pole Star, most people will get the meaning, both parties will find a common understanding.

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I did watch the North star last night and kept track of time counterclockwise
by watching the Big Bear/Dipper.
Yep, I believe what you say there is true …. I got a faint feeling of that - a nice light (uninvolved) sense of it for a moment that 'slowed down' and made me reflect you and the Pole Star .....

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One representation of Chakana:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/2d...f1906f9ec3.jpg

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Old 10-10-2019, 11:05 AM
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Here a link for anyone interested that contains more
information on the Bible and the stars.
I think it says "The Gospels written in the stars".
Suggesting this was how many teachings were passed on before
being written down.
PDF Book
Title: The witness of the stars
By E.W. Bullinger 1893
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https://www.levendwater.org/books/wi..._bullinger.pdf
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Old 10-10-2019, 02:08 PM
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Evangelize that Pole star.
Maybe the Central fire and smoke hole align with the Pole star the further
North you go so it may have more prominence.
I see here that the Pole star is about 20 to 30 degrees North from vertical.

I am aware of the vortexes from the Tipi to smoke hole 1 vortex and smoke hole to stars the other vortex
making like an hour glass shape. Symbol >< but rotate 90 degrees.


Spider Medicine is Big Medicine. "Web of Life" and all life being connected
by the spiders strands. Also much,much more to learn about the spider.

I am fascinated with the "Children of Lightning Man".
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https://parksaustralia.gov.au/kakadu...s-grasshopper/
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Old 11-10-2019, 05:57 AM
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Evangelize that Pole star.
Heh. Maybe you'll be sorry you asked ...

& Sorry, this is all rather selfish, but I’ll try to marry this with Christ.

Looking up Chakana, I further came across this video & how Chakana was formed (1:00 -1:54):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHQORX4Qzl4

Our log cabin designs derived from the tipi-like-tents were octagonal. (8 directions = ‘8 cornered Earth’ according to the old sacred geometry).
Meaning – wherever you are – be aware that you are in Sacred Space.
Later with modern housing – those octagonal structures were used as bell towers, smaller octagonals on top of each other … a harmonic marriage of the Old World beliefs with Christianity (which was possible in the early Russian Orthodox times).

Isn’t there a Christian meaning about the bells, that when the bell rings Christ is near?
That we are being called to Christ by the sound of bells?

Gnostic teachings are Christian – no?
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There exists a mathematical point within ourselves …
Unquestionably, such point is neither found ever in the past, nor in the future ….
Whoever should want to discover this mysterious point, must look it here and now, within him or herself, exactly at this instant – neither one second ahead, nor one second back …
The two beams of the Holy Cross, Vertical and Horizontal, meet at that point.
We find ourselves, therefore, before two Paths at every instant: the Horizontal one and the Vertical one.
~ Samael Aun Weor
To me that statement is also how Life at times can ‘checkmate’ us – from all directions we are suddenly being put on the spot.
So when Christ Consciousness comes calling from all directions - checkmating you - and you realize you are in a Sacred Space - all directions echoing Eternity ….. and you see Christ on the Cross, also fully realizing that he was a true Spiritual Warrior who understood and stood for this Eternal Source ….. you can put your trust in him, your teacher …..
Entering Oneness – entering rapture in Christ - Holy Spirit descents – you are “Born Again”.

My point being, that one doesn’t have to become Judean or something, but one can come to Christ Consciousness through one’s own belief system, one’s own ‘grammar of mind’ terms, through one’s own sacred geometry etc. etc.
Which I trust your Native American Church is doing ImthatIm?

(When Shaman enters the circle – you hear the bells. You are in for an awareness shift. Rapture - Shamanic death experience – Spirit descent - Born again).

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Back to the Chakana video, “Navel of Universe” 1:23 > :
Here a picture to illustrate the filaments of light (which I have identified rightly or wrongly with the “Spider” filaments):
https://www.healingenergytools.com/w...398413_n.j pg

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Spider Medicine is Big Medicine. "Web of Life" and all life being connected
by the spiders strands.
Exactly!!!

As if there was an invisible energy-grid connecting everything to everything.
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/31/51/ed/3...ting-ideas.jpg

Whatever happens in the web, no matter how minute - affects the whole & the Spider (sitting at the centre) will feel/sense it all with her 8 legs.

Some say those filaments of light from the navel area represent our will/intent. Our conscious awareness gives our intent its direction and then subconsciously, energetically we attach our filaments on targets ….. to create our reality.

Knowing that whatever we do affects the Whole Web of Life, the idea was/is to do so in the eyes of the Lord or as Christ as our Witness.

From my cultural prism perspective the top of triangle is that Witness:
Video pic 4:20 – 4:40

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Uncle Bob (R.I.P.):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwKZbCxbwoo

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Old 12-10-2019, 04:18 AM
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I am familar with symbols like chakana. We build sweat lodge frames in the same symbol.

I think the chakana symbol is pretty universal, with differences in exact meanings. Always Center positions are Sacred(Pole star) along with 4 cardinal directions. I also like the way they throw in trinities with the 3 steps.

Here is another explanation of chakana.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpDmJ1WMmk
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We(you & I) probably have a lot in common with Uncle Bob. I know I do.
Here is Uncle Bob on unconditional Love.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GdB1g5tG38
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I always enjoy reading everything you have to write, I just wish I was more
literate so I could communicate by typing better. Many things are hard to put into words.(I do apreciate your use of vids. and pics.)
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You have written a lot, that I will probably respond to later.( In a Good Way)
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Old 12-10-2019, 05:33 PM
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Speaking of bells.
Many of my friends and family believe this way.(See vid.)NW Native Shaker Church.
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1.45 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0f09r9NOSk

They also heal and cleanse by chasing bad spirits around with bells and candles and song.

Here is a vid on how the NW Indian Shaker Church came to be.
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5.25 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfmFt-pwsX8
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Old 13-10-2019, 10:19 PM
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I am familar with symbols like chakana. We build sweat lodge frames in the same symbol.

I think the chakana symbol is pretty universal, with differences in exact meanings. Always Center positions are Sacred(Pole star) along with 4 cardinal directions. I also like the way they throw in trinities with the 3 steps.

Yes. The Sacred Centre of a Circle – be it divided into 4 or 8. Trinity.
"Divine dual trinity" .... being yet another term ...

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Here is another explanation of chakana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpDmJ1WMmk
He reckons he is a bit of a Mongolian, which is quite sweet
But no-no, Mongolians as such were ‘johnny-come-latelys’ to the Ancient North Eurasian scene.
Most people carrying that Ancient Ancestry …. and putting those ducks in a row, (though not every group is mentioned):
Karitiana Mixe Pima Surui Mixtec Bolivian Mayan Piapoco Quechua East_Greenlander West_Greenlander Eskimo Ket Mansi Mari Shors Chukchi Selkup Itelmen Erzya Koryak Estonian Kalash Lithuanian Russian-Kargopol (= Vepsians i.e. not to be mistaken for “Russians”)
Mongolians do not make it into the list, nor the Chinese - but Asian Turkics should be:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/8d...232176eaf8.jpg

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We(you & I) probably have a lot in common with Uncle Bob. I know I do.
Yes. A meeting on that (non-dual, unconditional love, - when all your mental boundaries have melted) soul level is like beholding a Butterfly.
(Just bringing another Ancient symbol into the mix)


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Many of my friends and family believe this way.(See vid.)NW Native Shaker Church.
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1.45 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0f09r9NOSk

Curious .... interesting. Thanks again ImthatIm.

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Old 14-10-2019, 12:23 AM
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Sorry - off topic ....

P.S.
Pachamama related to Milky Way?:

Ancient North Eurasian beliefs:
https://www.proza.ru/pics/2010/12/22/1475.jpg

Sakha version of it 00:50 – 01:10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkrCEWcGy1o

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