Lilith left Eden

[Jyotir]

Hi 7L,

Thanks for the invite. Have not really been following this thread but upon a cursory skimming, would offer a post of mine from another thread that might have some connection with this thread:

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...6&postcount=11

~ J

[muffin]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Nice when you can just be with someone in harmony.
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Good afternoon Lorelyen

Unspoken and no thought required

[7luminaries]

Jyotir -- very nice response indeed and thank you for the link...and it is broadly addressing the higher level issue of the need to reclaim our deepest archetypes to serve as a lamp on the path to our enlightenment in this now moment

I quoted you so that others may also take a read....(with emphasis added).

Originally Posted by Jyotir

Hi UntoldStories,

Life, and especially spiritual life is about the unique journey of each individual in eventually surrendering to God’s Will - not ‘fitting in’ to human convention, desire, and ignorance. This means that matter and life energy become the fully conscious instrument of Spirit in the physical; the unconditional divinization of a conditional ignorance.

Spirit and matter are ultimately one and the same, but in extreme differentiations that must be reconciled and unified in a dynamic truth consciousness which is the entire purpose of the Cosmic Creation - not a divided mutual exclusion of perverse choice by distorted emphasis. Historically that has been the case as a simple matter of emphasizing one dominant aspect or the other for the purpose of a thorough development, but this is now changing.

Neither are complete - the spiritual emphasis that ignores or excludes the physical which leads to a joyless warped asceticism and poverty, or the material emphasis that excludes the spiritual and perpetuates by re-formation, ‘solutions’ and 'wealth' that are merely re-formations of the same ignorance, the same problems leading to other kinds of poverty, destruction and suffering.

One transforms self but leaves the world and leaves the world a mess.

The other transforms the world (not necessarily in positive ways) but leaves the self a mess, and arguably therefore the world as well.

Neither are sufficient by themselves, and this is the great revelation of our time. This phenomenon is what a large part of your dilemma consists, according to what you have written.

Western and Eastern are not inherently antithetical, but emphasize the 2 major aspects of existence - the material and the spiritual. These are not mutually exclusive because each is actually dependent on the other - as they are ultimately one and the same (Spirit is matter at its highest and matter is Spirit at its lowest) - and for full manifestation they must become universally integrated, which is the urgent need right now in our globalizing world. The opportunity represented by the possibility of this integration is of monumental import to the evolution of the entire planet and all its inhabitants.

One of the critical aspects is that the East has to integrate the material and commercial without disavowing and forsaking the valuable lessons it has developed over the centuries,

and the West has to leverage its material efficiency into an assiduous pursuit of genuine wisdom - both difficult charges even if consciously recognized.

Suggest reading Sri Aurobindo, about his Integral Yoga.
Especially recommended: ‘The Life Divine', and ‘The Synthesis of Yoga’.

~ J

Peace & blessings
7L

[Sonolil]

Gee mom, people really like talking about you.

I still think you're a **** so stop smiling at me.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Sonolil

Gee mom, people really like talking about you.

I still think you're a **** so stop smiling at me.

Heavy duty, Sonolil(ith?), as in heavy 'duty'.

From Ch.3 of The Bhagavad Gita (there's a lot more in there, of course): "Therefore do thy duty perfectly, without care for the results, for he who does his duty disinterestedly attains the Supreme. King Janaka and others attained perfection through action alone. Even for the sake of enlightening the world, it is thy duty to act."

[Sonolil]

Originally Posted by davidsun

Heavy duty, Sonolil(ith?), as in heavy 'duty'.

From Ch.3 of The Bhagavad Gita (there's a lot more in there, of course): "Therefore do thy duty perfectly, without care for the results, for he who does his duty disinterestedly attains the Supreme. King Janaka and others attained perfection through action alone. Even for the sake of enlightening the world, it is thy duty to act."

Not too heavy. Just complaining for the sake of it.
I wouldn't find myself here otherwise, it seems.

Thanks as always.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Sonolil

Not too heavy. Just complaining for the sake of it.
I wouldn't find myself here otherwise, it seems.

Thanks as always.

My understanding is that souls choose their parents and related 'form'ative experiences in order to 'set up' their 'key' challenges/opportunities in their next incarnation.

In that light, yours (your challenge/opportunity) would be to overcome/break out of/dis-solve whatever feelings of abandonment/isolation/helplessness or something like these and find/love/succor first your 'self' and then others by way of your 'own' everpresent but not always plugged into (God) Presence. Or something like that. Maybe that is.

Am just sharing ideas for you to consider in case any (might) pertain.

I 'lost' my very loving in her way mother when I was 5. Different reasons.

Hang loose, Bro.