On the subject of the theory of everything

[revelant]

The formulation of the TOE has so far been beyond the capabilities of the greatest minds in science, philosophy and religion. What if an individual working in isolation figured it out ? I mean a hypothetical person who has genuinely figured out the theory of everything.

People much smarter than this hypothetical individual have already figured out the mathematics and the equations which relate to the cosmological constants, Classical physics, Relativity theory and QED. He/she considered that if the scientist stated that the force of gravity can be explained in 1 fail swoop of an equation, then he/she had no reason to doubt the mechanics of their equations. So he/she never felt the desire to learn how to construct a mathematical equation. However, they fully understood the reality which was being described in the concepts behind GR and QED .

The main problem for this person would be the pre- existence of the thousands of other theories which propose to be the TOE. The most polite response for a minority of them is of the author being misguided. The response for the majority of the authors who propose supposed models for a TOE however, is that they need to study the scientific facts more than they study religious scripture.

Up to now, all and every one of the 1,0000's of the majority of screwball theories which purport to be TOE's, have been dismissed. How would the individual who has genuinely discovered the true model of reality overcome the first obstacle of immediately being categorised as belonging to those other sad authors who have previously produced screwball theories on the TOE? How could someone -who is previously unknown - ever convince anyone else that they have genuinely discovered the theory of everything?

There is a possibility that such an individual may take that discovery to their grave.

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

it seems to me that a person who holds knowledge of the TOE would be
enabled to comprehend all challenges and understand the methods which
could meet and overcome those obstacles.
it is said that "knowledge is power"... knowledge which is disempowering
seems contradictory to the premise (unless it serves empowerment nonetheless).

[Baile]

I praised your theory on your other thread. You have some exceptional ideas. You believe your theory is the ultimate TOE, and good for you. And that should be good enough for you. Whereas seeking public recognition and exclusive praise for your theory indicates a lack in self-development and understanding, or narcissism, or extreme hubris, or something even more problematic.

Like all spiritual examination questions, this isn't an issue of problems with the world. This is an issue of you, and how you see and relate to the world.

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

revelant, if your theory serves to empower people, by all means
share it. nothing succeeds like success. when people see people becoming
empowered, they'll wanna know the methods used to achieve that.

[r6r6]

Is reminiscent of the "The Man Who New Infinity"{ Ramnuchan } and what more he could have done if he lived longer.

There are other similar stories of what may come from their minds if they had lived longer but no others come to mind off-hand.

In recent years the conventional viewpoint has moved more towards a--- 'no possible GUTOE' attitude ----because of the seemingly difficulty of ever commensurating gravity with quantum mechanics.

However, there is always seems to be new cosmological information occuring--ex dark energy --, that may spur new pathways of thinking about a GUTOE

r6

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

it seems to me that a person who holds knowledge of the TOE would be
enabled to comprehend all challenges and understand the methods which
could meet and overcome those obstacles.
it is said that "knowledge is power"... knowledge which is disempowering
seems contradictory to the premise (unless it serves empowerment nonetheless).

problem being if you got that far you would know what all the masters of the east know... it is best to just shut up and not rock the boat. So it would go to the grave...

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

problem being if you got that far you would know what all the masters of the east know... it is best to just shut up and not rock the boat. So it would go to the grave...

i don't think that that's a very worthwhile lesson to have learned.
it sounds rather "antiseptic", as if enlightenment were a disease
that innocents ought to be protected from.
that "lesson" could very well be propaganda promulgated by those
who prefer that people remain uninformed.
[promoting ignorance as bliss.]
i believe that the 'quarantine' has been lifted, and that knowledge
is freely available to those who seek for it...
unless those that might share information decide to "take it to their graves"
(which is silly in itself, since cessation of life is only real while in the illusion).

Originally Posted by revelant

The formulation of the TOE has so far been beyond the capabilities of the greatest minds in science, philosophy and religion. What if an individual working in isolation figured it out ? I mean a hypothetical person who has genuinely figured out the theory of everything.

People much smarter than this hypothetical individual have already figured out the mathematics and the equations which relate to the cosmological constants, Classical physics, Relativity theory and QED. He/she considered that if the scientist stated that the force of gravity can be explained in 1 fail swoop of an equation, then he/she had no reason to doubt the mechanics of their equations. So he/she never felt the desire to learn how to construct a mathematical equation. However, they fully understood the reality which was being described in the concepts behind GR and QED .

The main problem for this person would be the pre- existence of the thousands of other theories which propose to be the TOE. The most polite response for a minority of them is of the author being misguided. The response for the majority of the authors who propose supposed models for a TOE however, is that they need to study the scientific facts more than they study religious scripture.

Up to now, all and every one of the 1,0000's of the majority of screwball theories which purport to be TOE's, have been dismissed. How would the individual who has genuinely discovered the true model of reality overcome the first obstacle of immediately being categorised as belonging to those other sad authors who have previously produced screwball theories on the TOE? How could someone -who is previously unknown - ever convince anyone else that they have genuinely discovered the theory of everything?

There is a possibility that such an individual may take that discovery to their grave.

At the present time the only way to quantify the theory of everything is from the philosophical standpoint. Consider the following two statements.

Science observes and evaluates but it can only do so within the observable universe.

Religion reports more but it is limited by it's requirement for faith.

What do these two have in common?

We know that the physical universe exists. We probably are safe in that assumption. But we have no idea of it's causitive forces.

Religion is little to do with science but it posits that a God created and that this god is the cause.

We subsequently see that science is concerned with that which is and religion is concerned with the cause of that which is.

But this is not enough. it does not satisfy.

The trouble with science is that it carries the mind to the beginnings but cannot quantify a cause because of a lack of observable evidence.

The trouble with religion is that they, all of them, are the products of man. True they speak of loftier realms, providing reasonings, but the recordings of these are necessarily filtered through fallible minds of mere men and are thus distorted.

Science as it exists today is inadequate to the task. Einstein sought a "unified field" but was unable to find it. Religion will not see it either because they stand opposed to anything except a magical creative process.

In the middle of all of this are the known unexplainable events which are conveniently grouped into a category we call psychic phenomena. It is neither scientific nor religious but we have mountains of solid evidence in support.

The single most important reason that we have as yet been unable to properly quantify the theory of everything is that we cannot as yet experience more than our third dimension reality.

All of our science to date is as regarding solids, gases and liquids. note: I include sub atomic in the broad category of solids.

Religion is likewise limited. They require faith. Why? Because they lack sure knowledge.

Now I will inject a picture of us in the future... We are immersed in the processes of evolution. This we know. But evolution is more than about physical matter as it exists in the mineral, vegetable and animal kingdoms. Here again we are limited in our viewpoint.

Humanity is rapidly evolving. Our physical forms are, at any moment in time, reflections of our minds. Our minds are of two kinds. The lower mind is a product of the brain conditioned by environmental considerations. Our higher minds are different. They are were we go to analyze problems. They are intuitive. But this is an inadequate statement because neither science nor religion will acknowledge it.

No matter...

In a very long time from now we will have evolved to the point where the extra (third) dimensional qualities will be well known. We will have developed a new science with a new mathematics adequate to the task of quantifying these newly discovered realities. What Einstein sought did not exist in our familiar three dimensions. What religion seeks likewise is not found there.

There is a natural progression in awareness. Faith, knowledge, wisdom. We begin with faith. It is replaced with knowledge. This is transmuted finally into wisdom. Science as we know it today is a combination of faith and knowledge. Religions also require faith but it has the beginnings of knowledge. What wisdom any of us has is inadequate to the task. This is the reason that at present the solution to the question of TOE can only be envisioned through the eyes of a philosopher.

In later times, in the future here on Earth, we will change all this. We will learn to use our minds to greater advantages. We will discover higher dimensions and succeed in quantifying them adequately. We will have to develop a new mathematics as I said earlier. We will.

All this is easy to say. We are aware of this. But it already exists. We already have the beginnings of these new non-Newtonian understands.

Our planet is being visited and has been since before the beginnings of humanity by others from far distant places. These folks are no more than human souls in different kinds of bodies in accordance with the requirements of their home physical environments. in short. They are us but the us of the distant future.

Have we noticed how they manage to suddenly appear and disappear while traveling at high speeds? Yes we have. We do not understand it but there is no great mystery. They manage to travel at speeds far beyond anything we can imagine because they do so in higher dimensions. The speed limit of the third dimension is the speed of light. Higher dimensions have speed limits too but they are much, much higher. If we are able to shift up to a higher dimension we may traverse our solar system in almost an instant of time. And then we have only to shift downwards again to our familiar third dimension and we are at our destination.

Science will readily admit the need of a cause for the big bang. Religion will refute this and say that God simply created everything in it's present form. Only philosophy can take us further.

We are certain that others are visiting our planet but we cannot manage to explain how they manage it all. Religion is less capable in this than science. Only philosophy can allow our minds to range further. This inclination is what will bring us to greater conclusions. The science who is religious and who is also a scientist is also by necessity a philosopher. These men and women will open doors to new realizations.

Higher dimensions do exist. Our familiar universe was created by forces acting in several of these higher dimensions. It was this series of actions by great minds that resulted in the "creation"of our third dimension universe. Here is a hint of the cause. Religion has the beginnings of a similar awareness but instead of speaking of the higher realms they simplify by merely citing a God who willed it.

Where is the TOE to be found? Not in three dimensions. We will be assisted by our visiting friends (and they are all friendly) to learn more. These revelations will result in the new mathematics which were mentioned for each of the higher dimensions.

At present we can only understand our universe in terms of a mysterious beginning. We stop at that point. The help that we need to progress further is already with us though. Some of us are fully aware of everything that is mentioned herein and they have learned to use in practical ways what the new knowledge has allowed. As we see knowledge is not absolute but it continues always to recede before us. Every time we learn something new the horizon of unknowable things recedes before us. Beyond this understanding not even our friends from other star systems can explain. They too have their inherent limitations. They are not gods. Our ancestors only thought they were. And some of our ancestors made religions of this lore which exist to this day.

The idea of any ultimate TOE is unachieveable. Only philosophy can approach the reason and this tells us that at a certain point which is so very far away and high up our ability to comprehend fails us. Why? Because we are limited by our fallible, unevolved minds.

The ultimate TOE cannot be understood by any mere human mind any more than an ant can recite Shakespeare. The difference 'tween the ant and us is that we know that it exists. That we are dynamic in our thinking gives us a great advantage. We will always progress because before our scientists are certain of anything they first have faith.

Remember Faith, Knowledge and Wisdom? As faith is replaced by knowledge it is again required to sustain us while we again seek more knowledge. And wisdom? It is a resultant which ever grows in magnificance.

The wise among us know full well that each level of evolution carries with it a corresponding TOE which, ultimately, must be accepted as being unsatisfactory.

[r6r6]

bartholomew--At the present time the only way to quantify the theory of everything is from the philosophical standpoint.

And geometric. ( ^v )( v^ ) ie. thefundamenta essence of our finite, occupied space Universe is simple and presented here as the bisection of a torus. A torus is a tube that has not two ends as a typical tube/cylinder.

^v = sine-wave that we observe with every particle of our finite, occupied space Uni-V-erse and it exists inside the torus as the body of the torus ergo is physical/energy/time/reality.

( ) =the outer positive shaped, geodesic arcs of meta{beyond}physical-3, gravity

)( = the inner surface, negative shaped, geodesic arcs of meta{beyond}physical-4, dark energy.

These texticons do not do true justice to what I'm proposing and will not try to explain little discrepancies of the texticonic expression.


Also the above stems from my explorations of prime numbers that appear to mostly{ 99.9% } appear on the outer surface at peak of positive curvature.

..1.........5..7...........11...13.............17. ...19..............23....25.....

0.............6.................12................ ...18......................24.........
........3.............9....................15.............. .......21.......................

.....2....4........8...10............14.....16.......... ...20....22.....................

Originally Posted by r6r6r

And geometric. ( ^v )( v^ ) ie. thefundamenta essence of our finite, occupied space Universe is simple and presented here as the bisection of a torus. A torus is a tube that has not two ends as a typical tube/cylinder.

^v = sine-wave that we observe with every particle of our finite, occupied space Uni-V-erse and it exists inside the torus as the body of the torus ergo is physical/energy/time/reality.

( ) =the outer positive shaped, geodesic arcs of meta{beyond}physical-3, gravity

)( = the inner surface, negative shaped, geodesic arcs of meta{beyond}physical-4, dark energy.

These texticons do not do true justice to what I'm proposing and will not try to explain little discrepancies of the texticonic expression.


Also the above stems from my explorations of prime numbers that appear to mostly{ 99.9% } appear on the outer surface at peak of positive curvature.

..1.........5..7...........11...13.............17. ...19..............23....25.....

0.............6.................12................ ...18......................24.........
........3.............9....................15.............. .......21.......................

.....2....4........8...10............14.....16.......... ...20....22.....................

Excellent. You use the language of the three dimensional universe to describe and bound it. Now devise a mathematics which will do the same for a four dimensional universe and the door will open.