unconditional love, regardless of others' ignorance

Hello, I'm new to this forum, but it's amazing.

I was wondering people's thoughts on this. Over the last couple of years I've been waking up to so much, and when you do then there becomes a strong intent to wake up more, hence you open your mind and discover a vast depth to the world that not many can see.

It's funny because you spend your whole egoic life wanting to know more or thinking you know more than everyone else, but when you start actually seeing more, not only does your ego start to fall away, but also it becomes painfully frustrating that hardly anyone else can see it too. Not only that but they tend to have a naive arrogance about knowing so much more than you etc.

How do you have unconditional love for everyone when they display such stubborness and arrogance. I can see that it's not their fault, and that I was there and blah blah, but it's harder than it sounds, especially when you see people all around selling themselves out or playing roles in society. They can seem like sheep who are so stupid they don't even know they're just going along with the collectively hypnotised. And on top of that they may run you down.

It's a tough one.

Greetings..

Originally Posted by Charliemcsnarly

Hello, I'm new to this forum, but it's amazing.

I was wondering people's thoughts on this. Over the last couple of years I've been waking up to so much, and when you do then there becomes a strong intent to wake up more, hence you open your mind and discover a vast depth to the world that not many can see.

It's funny because you spend your whole egoic life wanting to know more or thinking you know more than everyone else, but when you start actually seeing more, not only does your ego start to fall away, but also it becomes painfully frustrating that hardly anyone else can see it too. Not only that but they tend to have a naive arrogance about knowing so much more than you etc.

How do you have unconditional love for everyone when they display such stubborness and arrogance. I can see that it's not their fault, and that I was there and blah blah, but it's harder than it sounds, especially when you see people all around selling themselves out or playing roles in society. They can seem like sheep who are so stupid they don't even know they're just going along with the collectively hypnotised. And on top of that they may run you down.

It's a tough one.

Hi Charlie: Firstly, let go of that attitude.. you seem like you are judging subordinates.. seek a common ground, don't feel like 'they' have to see what 'you' see, look for a place where 'we' see together..

Be well..

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..

Hi Charlie: Firstly, let go of that attitude.. you seem like you are judging subordinates.. seek a common ground, don't feel like 'they' have to see what 'you' see, look for a place where 'we' see together..

Be well..

Thanks, I hear what you're saying but it's much easier said than done.

Hi Charlie,

if you talk about unconditional love - just be aware - it is without condition... which means - it doesn't matter if you find people stupid, it is your point of view making them so. If they don't comprehend to what you say it might just be their view of life. You can't talk with everybody about everything. If they are your friends, you will have, like 'TzuJanLi' stated, to find a 'we'. If you look for someone to talk to about, what your friends do not understand, find new ones who does...

Unconditional love can't be put into any schema it is what it is - the acceptance, that any human being has gods light in his heart. When you seek and find your own you will be able to see it in any other person too. This light of theirs is no other, then your own.

Accepting that will give you automatically the ability to love all people without condition. You accept them as they are.

Every person has its own path through life towards unity. Everyone has its own way to get there. You meet people on their path with their own thoughts and experiences of life. They don't have to match yours. That does not make them stupid. It might happen, that some people will find you stupid, which doesn't make you stupid either.

Judgment - 'good / bad, Wise / ignorant' is the game of the ego. it is the polarity, which is the nature of the physical world. Unconditional love is beyond that and beyond judgment.

Learn to love yourself and you will love everything. I know, it is not easy and it is a long way. If you started walking this path don't give up. Seek for your peace of mind and it will find you.

Originally Posted by pearldiver

Hi Charlie,

if you talk about unconditional love - just be aware - it is without condition... which means - it doesn't matter if you find people stupid, it is your point of view making them so. If they don't comprehend to what you say it might just be their view of life. You can't talk with everybody about everything. If they are your friends, you will have, like 'TzuJanLi' stated, to find a 'we'. If you look for someone to talk to about, what your friends do not understand, find new ones who does...

Unconditional love can't be put into any schema it is what it is - the acceptance, that any human being has gods light in his heart. When you seek and find your own you will be able to see it in any other person too. This light of theirs is no other, then your own.

Accepting that will give you automatically the ability to love all people without condition. You accept them as they are.

Every person has its own path through life towards unity. Everyone has its own way to get there. You meet people on their path with their own thoughts and experiences of life. They don't have to match yours. That does not make them stupid. It might happen, that some people will find you stupid, which doesn't make you stupid either.

Judgment - 'good / bad, Wise / ignorant' is the game of the ego. it is the polarity, which is the nature of the physical world. Unconditional love is beyond that and beyond judgment.

Learn to love yourself and you will love everything. I know, it is not easy and it is a long way. If you started walking this path don't give up. Seek for your peace of mind and it will find you.

Many very wise points!

Originally Posted by pearldiver

Hi Charlie,

if you talk about unconditional love - just be aware - it is without condition... which means - it doesn't matter if you find people stupid, it is your point of view making them so. If they don't comprehend to what you say it might just be their view of life. You can't talk with everybody about everything. If they are your friends, you will have, like 'TzuJanLi' stated, to find a 'we'. If you look for someone to talk to about, what your friends do not understand, find new ones who does...

Unconditional love can't be put into any schema it is what it is - the acceptance, that any human being has gods light in his heart. When you seek and find your own you will be able to see it in any other person too. This light of theirs is no other, then your own.

Accepting that will give you automatically the ability to love all people without condition. You accept them as they are.

Every person has its own path through life towards unity. Everyone has its own way to get there. You meet people on their path with their own thoughts and experiences of life. They don't have to match yours. That does not make them stupid. It might happen, that some people will find you stupid, which doesn't make you stupid either.

Judgment - 'good / bad, Wise / ignorant' is the game of the ego. it is the polarity, which is the nature of the physical world. Unconditional love is beyond that and beyond judgment.

Learn to love yourself and you will love everything. I know, it is not easy and it is a long way. If you started walking this path don't give up. Seek for your peace of mind and it will find you.

Beautiful, thank you. It certainly resonates very strongly with me. One of the main problems I'm having at the moment is that I see this beautiful planet being utterly destroyed, and I see humans left right and centre trod on and completely used, regardless of their suffering, but people won't wake up. They will just believe what they are told through the television and media, or they will accept their chosen religion as the final truth and they abide like sheep, stubbornly asserting that they are correct about everything, but in actual fact they are allowing all this to happen simply by conforming without question. I used to notice this even at around 8-9 years old that a large percentage of my classmates etc just went along with what they were told. It hurts to think about this world in such dismay.

When I am out in nature I feel like I get glimpses of what utopia, or heaven feels like. This earth could be that if people would release their arrogance and open their minds.

Originally Posted by Charliemcsnarly

... One of the main problems I'm having at the moment is that I see this beautiful planet being utterly destroyed, and I see humans left right and centre trod on and completely used, regardless of their suffering, but people won't wake up. They will just believe what they are told through the television and media, or they will accept their chosen religion as the final truth and they abide like sheep, stubbornly asserting that they are correct about everything, but in actual fact they are allowing all this to happen simply by conforming without question. I used to notice this even at around 8-9 years old that a large percentage of my classmates etc just went along with what they were told. It hurts to think about this world in such dismay.

When I am out in nature I feel like I get glimpses of what utopia, or heaven feels like. This earth could be that if people would release their arrogance and open their minds.

In my deepest experiences of Unity, I experienced the entire universe as existing exactly as it is supposed to be.

This can be one of the toughest acceptances in the spiritual path, that all the pain, ignorance, horror, cruelty, and other negativities have just as important a place as the positives in the universe. This is truly the root and expression of unconditional love.

This is not to say that the negativities are supposed to be - what is supposed to be is that every object, every force, every being, express it's nature and choose it's path as best it is able, and the Unconditional Love of the universe is so open, accepting, and giving that it accepts and supports that freedom.

Clearly, there are right choices, that allow and nurture greater expression, and there are wrong choices, that restrict, close, and deny expression. This mechanism is written into the very fabric of the universe. Not even The Source can deny It's nature.

In life, we must discover this for ourselves. Egoistic nature also has it's own 'expression' - and we must learn to look and see beyond our selves and self interest, that we might see the bigger expression, the greater Being. But The Source does not compel this choice - it must be freely chosen.

Yes, it is apparent to some the potential our human life offers - but to many others it is not apparent. All people are just like you - they have wants, desires, expectations - and the universe respects ALL of them, regardless of where they are in consciousness. The only coercion is the feedback of your own perception, your own desires. Armageddon or Rapture - the outcome is always right - always what we choose.

We can, however, encourage the universe to realize it's own divinity, if we wish, for our own fulfillment in expressing our desire to nurture the Highest good, the Highest expression.

I know exactly how you feel, Charlie, and have some more thoughts on that. So I'll play the bad news / good news game:

The bad news: you will not be able to change the world. It is like it is, with all its beauty and cruelty. Like Silvergirl stated - "In the beginning there was nothing, and then it exploded." - Universal consciouses (some call it Brahman, other God) exploded into infinite aspects, that created the universe. When you accept that everything in the universe is part of this whole and in every existing thing you can find God, so even the devil is divine... So ultimately the state of the universe, earth and mankind as it is now is god's creation and thus god's will...

The good news: in contrast to those, who are asleep, merging to the mainstream of distraction and suffering you have woken up!

You seek for Utopia - you will find it in the bliss of your heart. Go into nature, get inspired by beauty and gratefulness, meditate and establish yourself in your Self. Go into the world with this radiation, do what ever you do out of love for the beauty of this universe. Inspire other people by being as you are. Don't try to change them, don't try to convince them of anything. Give them your love. Play your own game and don't merge into any doctrine. Handle appropriate according to what your heart prompts to you.

You can't change the world, but since you are awake it is your responsibility to make the best of it in your life in your surrounding, relatives, friends colleagues, who ever will like to be inspired by you.

This is all you can do and this is far more then enough and - its god's will too

My post may resemble some other answers here.

When I am in the unconditional love mode (and I am not in it all the time), I have then realized something allowing my love flow in every direction. Think of a cup containing water. Suddenly the cup vanishes but the water is still present. Now the water is released and it flows uncontrolled in every direction as there is no cup to hold it within anymore. My love has no awareness of where it flows. It just flows. An important point is that I do not exercise control over the love, so I have no need to bother who gets it – annoying or pleasant people, people or objects.

When unconditional love still is a mental idea, then we hold our love in the cup – we speculate about how to restrict, or how to not restrict the love. When the love instead is a practical action born out of a present realization, then the we have no concerns, we are just joyously loving everyone and everything.

I would exchange "love" for "friendliness", "well-meaningness" and "contentedness" even if this state may give rise to more intense feelings from time to time. I also think the unconditional love is more of a passive state just coloring our every action, and choice of action.

charliemcsnarley wrote:

This earth could be that if people would release their arrogance and open their minds.

Indeed. It is one of the saddest truths out there, that we really could have heaven here on earth, if only people wanted it. But they don't.

But we have a responsibility to change, to show the world how it could be, even if the world never listens or does the truth. For if we do not act on what is right, then we become a part of the disease.

Be in the world, but not of it.