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10-05-2019, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sentient
Did you relate to it?
Did you hear ImthatIm ……(((did you hear)))……… the flute with those deep, dark tones on the background and the occasional drum beat like a thunder-echo?
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(Ours is a mixture of indigenous European and Siberian Shamanism):
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/11...3323473877.jpg
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It's called "wind in my mind". By Joseph Fire Crow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyaiHnw9qjc
Here is a total different type of church music(Native American Church or NAC) that you may not of heard before.
It's active participation as in rhythmic movement and catching the song by humming then chanting if you can catch it.
This is really done with these type of songs from sundown to sunrise in a circle in a tee-pee around the central sacred fire.
With one rattle/gourd and a water drum.
And of course their sacrament.
Merge/shift an alone journey in the circle with the songs as a prayer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq6TF1F2g_8
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10-05-2019, 04:40 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ImthatIm
It's called "wind in my mind". By Joseph Fire Crow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyaiHnw9qjc
Here is a total different type of church music(Native American Church or NAC) that you may not of heard before.
It's active participation as in rhythmic movement and catching the song by humming then chanting if you can catch it.
This is really done with these type of songs from sundown to sunrise in a circle in a tee-pee around the central sacred fire.
With one rattle/gourd and a water drum.
And of course their sacrament.
Merge/shift an alone journey in the circle with the songs as a prayer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq6TF1F2g_8
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The Creators Prayer is beautiful, warms the cockles of your heart
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10-05-2019, 05:48 PM
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Suspended
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 901
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Originally Posted by janielee
All Buddhist Masters emphasize practice:
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Bodhidharma emphasized seeing your nature.
Trying to become something can be very different from trying to discover something. The former can make ego stronger, the latter can dispel ego. One needs to be very clear about what their motivation or purpose is when doing a "practice."
Bloodstream Sermon
Bodhidharma (440-528)
Even if you can explain thousands of sutras and shastras, unless you see your own nature, yours is the teaching of a mortal, not a buddha. The true Way is sublime. It can’t be expressed in language. Of what use are scriptures? Someone who sees his own nature has found the Way, even if he can’t read a word. Someone who sees his nature is a buddha. A buddha’s body is intrinsically pure and can’t be defiled. Everything he says is an expression of his mind. Since his body and expressions are basically empty, you can’t find a buddha in words. Nor anywhere in the Twelvefold Canon.
If you see your nature, you don’t need to read sutras or invoke buddhas. Erudition and knowledge are not only useless, they cloud your awareness. Doctrines are only for pointing to the mind. Once you see the mind, why pay attention to doctrines?
A buddha is an idle person. He doesn’t run around after fortune and fame. What good are such things in the end? People who don’t see their nature and think reading sutras, invoking buddhas, studying long and hard, practicing morning and night, never lying down, or acquiring knowledge is the Dharma, blaspheme the Dharma. Buddhas of the past and future only talk about seeing your nature. All practices are impermanent. Unless they see their nature, people who claim to have attained unexcelled, complete enlightenment are liars.
Among Shakyamuni’s ten greatest disciples, Ananda was foremost in learning. But he didn’t know the Buddha. All he did was study and memorize. Arhats don’t know the Buddha. All they know are so many practices for realization, and they become trapped by cause and effect. Such is a mortal’s karma: no escape from birth and death. By doing the opposite of what he intended, such people blaspheme the Buddha.
People who see that their minds are the buddha don’t need to shave their heads. Laymen are buddhas too. Unless they see their nature, people who shave their heads are simply fanatics.
https://www.dailyzen.com/journal/bloodstream-sermon
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10-05-2019, 07:45 PM
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In Mahamudra one practices the Inner Fire – Tummo, and Lama Yeshe keeps it simple – thank goodness:
http://promienie.net/images/dharma/b...inner-fire.pdf
I would imagine that his book on Mahamudra would be easier to read as well than the other books on the market.
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Lama Yeshe tells us that mahamudra is “the universal reality of emptiness, of nonduality” and its unique characteristic is its emphasis on meditation: “With mahamudra meditation there is no doctrine, no theology, no philosophy, no God, no Buddha. Mahamudra is only experience.”
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Thanks ImthatIm for the links and the explanation.
And to add to Joseph Firecrow songs, here is one 'journey' into the landscape with the 4 beats:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkeaYt6-8a4
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10-05-2019, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sky123
The Creators Prayer is beautiful, warms the cockles of your heart
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Edit.Never mind.
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10-05-2019, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sentient
Thanks ImthatIm for the links and the explanation.
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Yeah no problem.
Except I added the wrong link with the explanation.
This explanation goes with the below link.
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Here is a total different type of church music(Native American Church or NAC) that you may not of heard before.
It's active participation as in rhythmic movement and catching the song by humming then chanting if you can catch it.
This is really done with these type of songs from sundown to sunrise in a circle in a tee-pee around the central sacred fire.
With one rattle/gourd and a water drum.
And of course their sacrament.
Merge/shift an alone journey in the circle with the songs as a prayer.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kn__K3ugbQ
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11-05-2019, 12:36 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: in my truck. anywhere usa
Posts: 8,524
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Originally Posted by Rain95
Bodhidharma emphasized seeing your nature.
Trying to become something can be very different from trying to discover something. The former can make ego stronger, the latter can dispel ego. One needs to be very clear about what their motivation or purpose is when doing a "practice."
Bloodstream Sermon
Bodhidharma (440-528)
Even if you can explain thousands of sutras and shastras, unless you see your own nature, yours is the teaching of a mortal, not a buddha. The true Way is sublime. It can’t be expressed in language. Of what use are scriptures? Someone who sees his own nature has found the Way, even if he can’t read a word. Someone who sees his nature is a buddha. A buddha’s body is intrinsically pure and can’t be defiled. Everything he says is an expression of his mind. Since his body and expressions are basically empty, you can’t find a buddha in words. Nor anywhere in the Twelvefold Canon.
If you see your nature, you don’t need to read sutras or invoke buddhas. Erudition and knowledge are not only useless, they cloud your awareness. Doctrines are only for pointing to the mind. Once you see the mind, why pay attention to doctrines?
A buddha is an idle person. He doesn’t run around after fortune and fame. What good are such things in the end? People who don’t see their nature and think reading sutras, invoking buddhas, studying long and hard, practicing morning and night, never lying down, or acquiring knowledge is the Dharma, blaspheme the Dharma. Buddhas of the past and future only talk about seeing your nature. All practices are impermanent. Unless they see their nature, people who claim to have attained unexcelled, complete enlightenment are liars.
Among Shakyamuni’s ten greatest disciples, Ananda was foremost in learning. But he didn’t know the Buddha. All he did was study and memorize. Arhats don’t know the Buddha. All they know are so many practices for realization, and they become trapped by cause and effect. Such is a mortal’s karma: no escape from birth and death. By doing the opposite of what he intended, such people blaspheme the Buddha.
People who see that their minds are the buddha don’t need to shave their heads. Laymen are buddhas too. Unless they see their nature, people who shave their heads are simply fanatics.
https://www.dailyzen.com/journal/bloodstream-sermon
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i don't personally understand the purpose of reading many things. others have a different view. what matters is if it works for someone or not. there has been i believe people whom come upon something dramatic that opens the floodgates to silence and sometimes bliss to. for most people it happens from devotion and practice. then it becomes effortless. if its not effortless then that is in the process to becoming effortless. after it becomes effortless then practice isn't necessary. but most chose to continue to do so.
i understand this is the buddhist section and a popular one at that. so i say this not intending to step on toes but to be honest. reading about various yogis from india or other places as people all around the globe open to it. bliss and silence isn't culture bound. anyway in my view. my opinion. there is simpler, honest, and to the point information out there. like anything in this world. knowing what one is looking for is the first step to finding it. the clearer that is the easier. various yogis have explained this stuff very simply. where a million words can point to something like a puzzle. or one can just say its silence stupid. its bliss stupid. rather than mess with peoples minds. and attempt to culture bound the truth. this culture is. this one isn't. personality is. this one isn't. this is something where the sang you cant judge a book by the cover really fits. ego as people think of it has nothing to do with it.
what im trying to say. long winded. sorry. for almost everybody a practice helps. meditation and so on have proven to work for many. and its good to know you dont have to become anything other than yourself. silence and possibly bliss to for some is whats beyond ones mind. what is being searched for.
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11-05-2019, 04:17 AM
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Master
Join Date: Mar 2014
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Originally Posted by Rain95
Trying to express things verbally may be impossible!
But I press on.... at times...
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hehehe
from what I can tell from your words you've got the lay of the land pretty well though
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But in this growth, is self discipline. It is not forced though. One freely chooses to give up things, become one likes the states of consciousness this leads to.
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somewhere it was said that the foolish stick to the left, whereas the wise go to the right.
Might have something to do additionally with the cheribum with the flaming sword, which makes it impossible to get in the east gate to eden
Anyway I was never allowed to just give stuff up, always have to go to effort to dump it out once I figure out what is in the way. So I guess I'm biased
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11-05-2019, 05:32 AM
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