Emptiness and the One

Originally Posted by taoistscholar

But once we realize that "something" and "nothing" are the same thing and that they give birth to each other, we see that all comes from emptiness. This is emptiness. Emptiness and nothingness are two very different notions.

I don't get it!!
Doesn't emptiness mean there is nothing, just empty space, void!!
Can you explain more about emptiness?

Originally Posted by Gem

So it boils down to the absence of energy.

It kinda makes sence too because energy is neither created nor destroyed...

Exactly, which is why I don't understand how there was only "nothing".

Originally Posted by Gracey

same goes with the chicken and the egg, it had to be the chicken because it came first in a sentence.....at least that has always been my answer to the riddle.

Do you think that the people who were inspired by God when they wrote this section of the Bible were rather sloppy in their writing things down?

Originally Posted by jiraiyaNOmonogatari

I don't get it!!
Doesn't emptiness mean there is nothing, just empty space, void!!

Yes, but the emptiness is only in one's mind, which leaves everything else open, or just as it is.

As an analogy, we know that the universe expands at an increasing rate and something must be responsible for this. Scientists called it 'dark matter'. There is no experimental evidence for it at the moment but naming it makes it appear as if there is something, and worse that we know what it is. In truth, we haven't go a clue what it is.
To stay with the expansion, witness it, not trying to work it out, not even trying to name it, would be emptiness of the mind.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by jiraiyaNOmonogatari

I don't get it!!
Doesn't emptiness mean there is nothing, just empty space, void!!
Can you explain more about emptiness?




Exactly, which is why I don't understand how there was only "nothing".

Nothing only means no things, and no things is no energy, but the emptiness of space is a cosmological constant and has density, but that is only definable among more dense things and that which is denser than the cosmological constant is a formal thing.

Everything is denser than the cosmological constant but there is finite mass in the universe and as the universe expands the overall density of matter decreases... because the same mass is in a larger space.

At this time the cosmological constant and the overall density of matter are pretty much equal... roughly... so from here on, and for the first time ever, the tables are turned.

Originally Posted by pre-dawn

Do you think that the people who were inspired by God when they wrote this section of the Bible were rather sloppy in their writing things down?

well it was moses who wrote the first five books and i think he experienced stillness and creation and expalined it the best he could at that time or he was just a story teller. when it comes to knowing, i rely on my own experiences.

besides, the bible was re arranged so many times, who knows what the original words were.

. In science terms there is a term called subspace, it is flat, it has no mass, gravity or charge, but it holds energy. A subspace is one static point in dark matter.

Originally Posted by jiraiyaNOmonogatari

I don't get it!!
Doesn't emptiness mean there is nothing, just empty space, void!!
Can you explain more about emptiness?




Exactly, which is why I don't understand how there was only "nothing".

Emptiness in this understanding is the emptiness of the mind's conventions. Just as something is a man-made conventions, nothing is a man-made convention as well.. Emptiness is different from "nothing" or no-thing because it is empty of the "nothing" as well as the something. A reality empty of the minds conventions would appear exactly as it is, infinite, formless, nameless and one. This is what is known to many as the ultimate reality. The minds conventions are what give birth to duality such as "something" and "nothing" or "good" and "bad". The minds conventions are what give form and finiteness to our reality.

thanks for the explanation everyone, I think I understand now.

but let me check if I got this right.

So you are saying that our minds have a ceiling, and that ceiling prevents us from comprehending beyond the existence of "something and nothing", and whats beyond that is emptiness, which is the ultimate reality.
*phew*....these are some tough concepts to understand, I think my ceiling is working. lol

But all this leads to another question!! what is this reality that is infinite, formless, nameless and one? what is emptiness?

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by Gracey

well it was moses who wrote the first five books and i think he experienced stillness and creation and expalined it the best he could at that time or he was just a story teller. when it comes to knowing, i rely on my own experiences.

besides, the bible was re arranged so many times, who knows what the original words were.

LOL...this is not a widely held belief BUT my mom was always convinced that Moses went to the great library in Alexandria, distilled down the wisdom of the ages within a monothestic framework, and voila...10 commandments... Not sure it actually happened that way, but some people need a paper trail

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

LOL...this is not a widely held belief BUT my mom was always convinced that Moses went to the great library in Alexandria, distilled down the wisdom of the ages within a monothestic framework, and voila...10 commandments... Not sure it actually happened that way, but some people need a paper trail

my dad told me that moses had to set down some ground rules for the slaves that were free. they were uncivilised and needed rules. who knows the truth....o yeah, no one living today....