Balanced Universe..or kidding myself

[Rawnrr]

Originally Posted by Empowers

So if someone told you in answer to your question that, indeed, you are just fooling yourself, what would you do? Would that make you act differently? What would it change? Would you sit down and admit defeat or would you become even more determined to eek out as much happiness as you can?

Because the answer to that question is the true direction you are pointed in right now. If you are waiting for something to create Paradise for you and you are just gnashing your teeth together waiting, then you'll wait forever. But if you answered that you would do what you can to create the happiest life you can, then get on with it and don't let this moment dictate your forever.

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, give yourself a hug for the fantastic job you've done so far and get a move on :-)

I don't really look for others to give answers to questions....just search for different perspectives to look at things from.

Dusting off and moving on is generally my reaction to things anyway.
When things happen we go through our doubts and self-pity, but it only lasts so long and then you just keep going. So thats what this original post was, the reaction to the turd that was dropped on me. But now a few days later, I just keep walking. This too shall pass.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by marcel

Believing in Karma (or in god) is like refusing responsibility. There is no machine that creates balance in the universe. Everything happens for a reason (basic physics). But that doesn't mean that it has purpose.

Physics is based on natural laws which allow us to predict outcomes.

We cannot say that all the laws of the universe have been discovered. Therefore we cannot say that there is no machine (or law) that creates balance in the universe. Science may be ignorant of such a law, but yogis (who work in the laboratory of consciousness) declare that there is a Divine Plan and Purpose, and the law of karma is an expression of that Purpose.
In my opinion the yogi has a deeper understanding of the laws which govern the universe than the scientist.

If we truly believe in karma then we actually accept full responsibility for our lives, because we accept that our circumstances and all that we experience are our own creation, and we cannot blame anyone else.

Peace.

[Armadodecadron]

The universe is not going to equalize things for you. It does not obey humans.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Armadodecadron

The universe is not going to equalize things for you. It does not obey humans.

The universe may not conform to what humans want, but that does not mean there is no law of equilibrium in the universe which governs our existence.

Peace.

[Rawnrr]

The universe will not equalize things for an individual, but the universe does run as a well structured program. There is an order to the universe, whether you want to call it physics or god, it doesnt really matter which. The order is there. You throw an apple in the air, it will always fall down again. If there was no order, you could not make that claim.
How far does this structure/order permeate existence, we do not have to tools to understand yet.

The universe wont obey humans, but humans are part of the universe, so they fall into the domain of whatever laws are in place.

Originally Posted by Rawnrr

The universe will not equalize things for an individual, but the universe does run as a well structured program. There is an order to the universe, whether you want to call it physics or god, it doesnt really matter which. The order is there. You throw an apple in the air, it will always fall down again. If there was no order, you could not make that claim.
How far does this structure/order permeate existence, we do not have to tools to understand yet.

Not entirely. If you're looking for a different perspective then it's not you versus the Universe, it's an interactive partnership. The 'equalise' part comes from you not the Universe, as far as the Universe is concerned there is no 'this' versus 'that', good versus bad..... To the Universe there is just what is, whether it's anything else is your definition.

Originally Posted by Rawnrr

The universe wont obey humans, but humans are part of the universe, so they fall into the domain of whatever laws are in place.

The laws that are in place have been created by humans, unless you want to think that there's some kind of all-powerful being/committee 'out there' dictating the rules. That isn't Spirituality that's victim mentality.


Your reality is defined by your perceptions, your perceptions are defined by your beliefs and your beliefs are defined by your definitions. And the Universe is a reflection of you, such as.....

Originally Posted by Rawnrr

But I do have to question how balanced things really are at times.

You define what is good/bad, right/wrong......... and not the Universe itself, so if there is no balance in the Universe there is a lack of balance in you.

[7luminaries]

There are a number of what appear to be cosmic constants (having to do with gravity, density of matter, the density of dark energy, and so forth) which speak to a finely tuned universe, one which is able to support life...

It is true we are subject to these constants or "laws" or "principles" by virtue of existing in the physical universe. Just as it's true we don't yet understand it all, nor the effects (quantum and so forth) that we may have upon the universe

There are also the metaphysical truths, which we have been aware of certainly in our various mystical traditions and in the inner wisdom of our souls, since time immemorial.

I haven't read the whole thread so I'm not certain which of these is the focus. But I would say both apply regarding questions of balance, as we live in a state of interbeing with all that is. Our presence and perspectives do matter, however mad that may sound from a cosmic scale. And I would say that is because consciousness -- that eternal conundrum -- is such an impactful, splendid, wondrous, and ultimately limitless thing.

Peace & blessings
7L

[davidsun]

'Balance' is a phenomenon - like a person riding a bike.

Imbalance i.e. (another phenomenon) results in disequilibrium such that things do not continue in a stable way.

Instability (leading to the 'destruction' of a 'pattern') is creative in effect - chaos ultimately results in the re-ordering of the current 'order' into a different pattern (once that approaches 'equilibrium).

Both order (stability) and chaos (instability) are necessary for 'creation' to continue to 'happen'.

Nothing remains the same forever!

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

The laws that are in place have been created by humans, unless you want to think that there's some kind of all-powerful being/committee 'out there' dictating the rules. That isn't Spirituality that's victim mentality.

Are you saying that humans created the law of gravity? Which would suggest that there was no gravity before Newton came along???

Or that there were no laws of aerodynamics until some people decided to build an aeroplane?

Obviously this does not make sense. So perhaps we live in a universe governed by all sorts of laws, some of which we know about, others we have yet to discover.

Peace.

Originally Posted by iamthat

Are you saying that humans created the law of gravity? Which would suggest that there was no gravity before Newton came along???

Or that there were no laws of aerodynamics until some people decided to build an aeroplane?

Obviously this does not make sense. So perhaps we live in a universe governed by all sorts of laws, some of which we know about, others we have yet to discover.

Peace.

Edit:- Huge oops!! Well spotted to Davidsun for noticing the disconnections there, that'll teach me for getting distracted by what's going on around me. Humans invented the Spiritual Laws and as for whether or not humans invented gravity and aerodynamics is still very moot. Matter is emergent of consciousness and even Max Planck, recognised as the father of quantum theory said that we had to assume the existence of an intelligence that is behind the Universe. Whatever he was alluding to, consciousness collapses the wave function of the probability and it becomes matter, and when energy reaches that state the laws of Newtonian physics come into play. In As Above So Below much the same things happen with our realities, in that an action for instance is simply an action. After that the wave function collapses into 'solid' beliefs and it becomes our conscious reality.

So the question of did humans create gravity and aerodynamics really depends on how you define humans. If we are Spirit on a human Journey or a Child of the Universe then given those scientific facts, did we indeed create them?


Oops. Well I just figured that seeing as how this is a Spiritual forum and your OP wasn't really talking about anything scientific...... Unless you're saying that karma is a science, except it's a mentality gone wrong. Good and bad isn't science, that's mentality too.


But OK, we'll talk about scientific balance if you like. The physical Universe is finely tuned for our existence. There are actually 16 constants in the Universe and if one of those constants was changed, Life as we know it would cease to exist. Like gravity seeing as how you mentioned it. A little less and matter wouldn't coalesce or a little more and everything would be super-heavy. And nicely on to the Spiritual.... As Above, So Below. The circumstances you find yourself in were circumstances you chose as part of your Life's Purpose, Karmic Obligations or whatever else you want to call it. You made the choice - unless you want to do the victim mentality thing. So your Life's Purpose has been finely tuned for you to experience whatever it is you experience the same as gravity is.

With all the miracles - and they are miracles - of science and Spirituality, yet here you are.


And by the way, your whole post is personal stuff and therefore ego-based, because you're talking about what you're going through and how you're dealing with it. Or not.