Prophet Suggested Punishments to Stop Mutual Killing …

(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

In the time of the divine Prophet Mohammad, the atmosphere of a specific region was horrible in which several religions appeared with several Gods and all were fighting with each other. The fight brought climax of Chaos and people were killing each other based on the religious differences. Then, Allah appeared in human form called Prophet Mohammad. He established a religion which is the actual Islam proposing only one God called Allah. If this religion gets established, the quarrels will stop and killing each other will end. There was a vigorous necessity to establish Islam even by force to stop mutual fights.

Naturally, those ignorant and blind religions opposed the Prophet. This means that their religions should continue and the killing also should continue without end. To bring them to the concept of one God and to avoid the mutual fights and mutual killing, the Prophet went to the last resort of even killing those leaders and rigid followers of various religions so that eternal peace will be established for future generations. Hence, orders like ‘fight non-Muslims’, ‘cutting off the hands and feet of those against Allah and His messenger’ etc., were passed in that context and in that specific region in which such worst situation existed. These comments of the Prophet were confined to that time and to that region only where people were fighting and killing with each other based on different religions.

In normal situations same Prophet Mohammad advised the followers to protect anybody in problem and to become the escort up to his/her house. Then, preaching about Allah should be done and to leave him/her without any force. Here, in this context, the world Allah means one God only and not several Gods since He established His religion in the context of rejecting many Gods only. Similarly, Lord Krishna, a human incarnation conducted a mighty war to destroy the injustice completely in a specific region and in a specific old span of time. This does not mean that whenever injustice grows, a mighty war is always inevitable.

In a specific region and in some span of specific old time, a divine human incarnation preached the required spiritual knowledge to that place and that context of time and underwent crucifixion silently so that the hearts of those people get reformed by repentance. This does not mean that any spiritual preacher of any time in any area should undergo crucifixion silently to reform the hearts of the people. Today, crucifixion is never allowed on the grounds of spiritual knowledge and even on the grounds of political issues.

Today, in all regions of the world all religions co-exist with mutual love and respect to each other. Even if there are differences in religions, situation is limited to some hot discussions and debates or at the maximum abusing each other very rarely. You can’t bring those comments of the divine Prophet confined to that context and that place to the present context and present world. You should not implement those punishments on non-Islamic religions because that situation was very serious and this situation is very normal.

The divine Prophet Mohammad means ONE GOD as the meaning of the world Allah because the entire lifelong context in which He was placed was horrible fights based on religious differences establishing different Gods. The punishments suggested by Him were in the context of forcible suppression of multiplicity of God by even wars to stop mutual killing based on wrong spiritual knowledge. Today also, many religions and many Gods based on wrong spiritual knowledge exist, but, the situation is not as worse as that of that time.

In that context, wars and severe punishments were inevitable and in this context of today, propagation of right spiritual knowledge is sufficient. You should not extend the statement of one context blindly to other different context of the same event also. Today, the solution can come by cutting the wrong arguments with the help of right arguments and hands and feet need not be cut with knives. The whole problem arises by blindly bringing the comments of God made in one context to another different context due to ignorance without little common sense and a trace of analysis!

[acorn]

Today, in all regions of the world all religions co-exist with mutual love and respect to each other. Even if there are differences in religions, situation is limited to some hot discussions and debates or at the maximum abusing each other very rarely. (Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)
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Maybe Swamiji should read the news....at a quick glance it is obvious that this is not so....That time is not yet upon us

Love
acorn

[knightofalbion]

Henry Ford once said of people wanting to buy his cars that you could have any colour you wanted as long as it's black!
The message here seems to be a religious variation on that theme ....

Follow any religion you like, as long as it exalts your soul and makes you a better, kinder person. Bearing in mind that there is nothing without LOVE.

Gandhi once said 'My life is my message'. And that is how you know the true prophets, by their life and by their teachings.

[sirius7]

Firstly, Allah never appeared in human form anywhere. It does not befit His majestic state and All-powerful nature. Secondly, the prophet of Islam was the messenger to carry out that message of truth, as even the first man, Adam was a prophet to his people, as Abraham, Jesus/Isa...

The religion of Islam does not support, promote or dictate killings in any case, this should be apparent to those who actually know the religion. The fact that Islamic teachings have been misconstrued by others have no substantial base for their authenticity. Long before, I even decided which religion to ultimately follow or accept, the common sense approach was to understand it to the very basic level. I really dislike when arrogance and ignorance is shown from different sides to undermine beliefs. All the talk about love and unity when reality shows ulterior motives.

[neil]

Originally Posted by sirius7

Firstly, Allah never appeared in human form anywhere. It does not befit His majestic state and All-powerful nature. Secondly, the prophet of Islam was the messenger to carry out that message of truth, as even the first man, Adam was a prophet to his people, as Abraham, Jesus/Isa...

The religion of Islam does not support, promote or dictate killings in any case, this should be apparent to those who actually know the religion. The fact that Islamic teachings have been misconstrued by others have no substantial base for their authenticity. Long before, I even decided which religion to ultimately follow or accept, the common sense approach was to understand it to the very basic level. I really dislike when arrogance and ignorance is shown from different sides to undermine beliefs. All the talk about love and unity when reality shows ulterior motives.

You say the common sence approach is to understand it at its very basic level......& the basic level is ""LOVE"" in a holy form (prime creators reality of ""LOVE"")..

You say you really ""dislike"" arrogance & ignorance shown from different sides to undermine beliefs.

The emotional thoughts of "DISLIKING" something"" is borne from "anger", & anger is an "UNLOVING" emotion in it's self.

& unlovingness is not understanding it at it's basic core level.

I would say that you yourself are not knowing your chosen religion at it's basic core level either.

With sincere respect Neil.

Prophet and Incarnation ... (Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

When a person says that He was sent by God as a messenger and that He has brought the message of the Lord, the following problem appears. When God is giving the message to that person, nobody has seen it. That person is the single witness. Now the only alternative left in order to believe that the Lord Himself gave the knowledge, is that we have to test the knowledge.

Had we seen the transfer of the knowledge from God to that person with our eyes, we need not have tested that knowledge. It must definitely have been divine knowledge. If we have to believe a statement of that person without the simultaneous universal perception, then we have to believe even a fraud person who utters the same statement.

If you give us a piece of metal and say that is gold, since God gave it, we cannot believe it. Either we must have seen God giving it to you or we must analyze the metal. Moreover the knowledge is not like the piece of metal, which will not change by transfer. When a teacher explains a concept to somebody and asks him to deliver it to his students, it cannot be transferred as it is.

The transfer of knowledge consists of not only the concept but also the explanation. The concept might have been transferred but nobody other than that original teacher can give the same way of explanation of the concept by which the concept pierces into the heart. Therefore to propagate the divine knowledge, the Lord Himself comes down in a human form. Arjuna said the same in the Gita “Tvadanyah…” which means that except the Lord, nobody can preach the divine knowledge and clarify all spiritual doubts.

Originally Posted by sirius7

Firstly, Allah never appeared in human form anywhere. It does not befit His majestic state and All-powerful nature. Secondly, the prophet of Islam was the messenger to carry out that message of truth, as even the first man, Adam was a prophet to his people, as Abraham, Jesus/Isa...

[knightofalbion]

Only those worthy of Divine Instruction receive Divine Instruction. And those great souls who do receive it - the sacred message of Love - proceed to teach it and exemplify it in their daily lives.
This is how one knows the false from the true.

I & Father Are Same, Son Of God, Messenger Of God ... (Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

Why a single Jesus made these three statements? He spoke as per the egoism and jealousy of the human beings, which is the prime reason for not accepting incarnation of God. When these are in climax, people crucified Jesus.

To a deserving devotee, Jesus told He and His father are one and the same.

When Jesus saw a devotee who was slightly affected by jealousy and egoism, Jesus came down by one step saying that He was the son of the God. The word son is indicating that He is different from the God but the same spirit is present in both like the same blood in the father and the son. This means that He is different and smaller than the God but at the same time has the same essence. It is like the relationship between the mighty ocean and the tiny water drop. The father is major and the son is minor component. They resemble qualitatively but differ quantitatively.

When Jesus met a devotee who is fully bacterialized by jealousy and egoism He told that He was the humble messenger of God. Therefore the human incarnation will declare its level based on the level of the receiver. Mohammad told that He is the messenger of the Lord. Thus there is a gradual degradation of spiritual obedience and the gradual growth of jealousy and egoism.

Jesus stands as a transition bridge between Krishna (who claimed Himself as God) and Mohammad (who claimed only as Prophet).

[knightofalbion]

Ocean and water drop, a good analogy. We are all 'water drops' in the 'ocean' of humanity. All elements of the pure essence of Divine Spirit.

Interesting. My viewpoint is that the man Jesus, the Essene priest. was overshadowed by the Christ Spirit and for the duration of his Holy Land ministry God spoke through Jesus.
There were times when he spoke in the third person i.e. 'No one comes to the Father but through Me'. That is to say not him personally, but the Christ Consciousness - which is Love Consciousness - he was representing.
A variation on the often quoted mantra of the mystics, of all faiths, that love alone unites the soul with God.

here were times when he spoke in the third person i.e. 'No one comes to the Father but through Me'.

Reply: Based on the level of the receiver, God declares Himself as God or as son of God or messenger of God.

(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

God is like free electrons flowing in the atmosphere. These Electrons are the electricity. Then can you heat water by keeping the vessel containing water in the atmosphere? When these Electrons enter a medium like the metallic wire, you can heat water. Similarly if God enters the medium of physical body, it is most convenient for you to clear your doubts, to love and to serve Him. Basically He receives the worship of His devotees.

This electricity can flow in any number of wires. You can see the wire but not electricity. The wires are similar to the physical bodies of different incarnations like Jesus, Mohammed, Krishna, Adi Shankara, Rama etc. Omnipotent Lord can simultaneously exist in any no. of wires also.

The external body is similar to shirt. Same God wore different shirts and appeared in different forms in front of us. You are only seeing the physical bodies and thinking them as different Gods. Same God existed in Jesus, Krishna, Mohammed etc. When God exists in human body, He is called the human incarnation. If you compare Jesus, Krishna, Mohammed etc. they look different externally. But, the internal God is same. The internal God is unimaginable. But, He entered in a physical body to give His experience in the form of preaching excellent divine knowledge, sometimes doing miracles, saving devotees etc.

This internal God in human incarnation, as far as possible, follows the rules of the nature. This taking food, sleep, marriage, celibacy (unmarried), having children etc. are related to the physical body. The internal God is untouched by any of these. The internal God gives His experience in the form of excellent divine knowledge, bliss, sometimes expression of superpowers etc. When God comes in human form, He will decide Himself His plan of action (like marry or remain celibate monk, where to take birth infact everything) as per His divine plan, which no one knows other than Himself.