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Old 12-05-2019, 11:54 PM
JustBe JustBe is offline
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Originally Posted by iamthat
Do we judge humanity based on its current state of ignorance which manifests as selfishness, violence, exploitation and greed?

Or do we consider the potential for humanity to fully express the Divinity within? Even now, there are many humans whose light shines forth. Perhaps one day we will discover that human beings do hold all the keys to the universe.


Again, we see why and where people focus and choose to see damage and destruction as a focus.

As humans we have choices when we have them and know through an open aware state of being. One that understands the nature of all things connected as a whole through their own knowing and open aware state.

There is much good, love and joy in this world, as there is the rest. When humans keep banging on the negative, it becomes like a parent only noticing negative, behaviours, without a caring loving approach to those things. The earth is treated as humans are treated and feel from within.

We are the change we wish to see, I believe that works in every way we model, behave, speak and relate to the world.
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Old 13-05-2019, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by edithaint
Yet our animal brains will never fully comprehend the true whole. While we humans may perceive ourselves and other animals in a certain way, those other animals have equally valid experiences as spirit embodied in spacetime. They are no less conscious than we are.
Yes, well said. I would add to this that nobody can comprehend the true whole spiritually either. Human =/= God. It's just scraps and pieces that people gather, momentary experiences. People can experience spirituality but true 'self-realization' - as in total cessation of all desire, attachment, and form - (what it usually means in traditions mentioning self-realization) is imagination. Those without these may raise their hands.. oh wait, that's already not possible!

At some point there weren't even humans. Who sought enlightenment then..? Who was there to realize self..?

A brown bear? Stegosaurus? A weeping willow? A fern plant?

We humans can be SO arrogant, thinking we are the center, that everything is made for us and for our species-specific desires...!!
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Old 13-05-2019, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Altair
At some point there weren't even humans. Who sought enlightenment then..? Who was there to realize self..?

Or perhaps there were humans but they had not yet taken dense physical form.

It depends what we believe about how life evolved on this planet.

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Old 15-05-2019, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthat
So what is meant by 1st density, 2nd density, 3rd density?

I am going to guess different stages of life.
If you believe in yourself. The rest will fallow
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