IS SELF REALIZATION ATTAINABLE?

[running]

Originally Posted by hallow

Realization of one self?..... Realize who you really are???? That's what I would assume self realization is. But some people call an SUV a truck too. But then if you correct them they get mad and offended because they feel dumb and they start to argue and make no real points. You agree just so you can get on with life. Then the truth is lost and distorted. When there really is a difference between a truck and an SUV. It is what it is. Ok sorry for my rant.

i have never called my suburban a suv. but maybe im old cause never heard that term until later in life. hearing suv usually referring to something small. like a 4 runner, one of those mini blazers. in my mind i cant seem to associate something like a 3/4 ton 4x4 with the term suv. even though it means sport utility vehicle. lol

[hallow]

Originally Posted by running

i have never called my suburban a suv. but maybe im old cause never heard that term until later in life. hearing suv usually referring to something small. like a 4 runner, one of those mini blazers. in my mind i cant seem to associate something like a 3/4 ton 4x4 with the term suv. even though it means sport utility vehicle. lol

I drive an older Jeep Cherokee. I feel weird calling it an SUV too. But it's not a truck. A truck has a box. I refer to it as the Jeep. I would call your vehicle a suburban. I am just useing vehicle terms as a example. Let's say I have no idea exactly what vehicle you drive. And you write to me, your driving 8 of your friends cross country in your truck. I am going to picture something totally different than what's actually happening. I am going to picture possibly 6 of your friends riding in the bed of a truck cross country. I know it sounds silly but..... I struggle with that idea a lot on here. Even when I use the terms in the context of the person writing. It seems nothing is what it is. Even something like a truck can change, and that's simple compared to other terms like self realization. So many people change the meaning of this term to fit there needs or to whatever point there trying to make. I take it at face value, someone changes it and gets upset when I don't agree or understand there definition. Or even when I ask what do you mean. They assume I should know.

[hallow]

Originally Posted by Altair

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-realization

The so called ''western'' definition seems lacklustre, possibly because we don't really use such concepts in our society. It also does not seem to relate to spirituality either.

Indian religions however describe self-realization in a spiritual context, so I go with this. Generally it is viewed as the end of a destination: no more incarnations, no more journey. If there is an end to a journey it means there is nothing more to learn, no adventure, no passion, etc. All that awaits is eternal bliss and oneness, with no craving of any kind. Or alternatively, there is eternal worship of a personal god, which is what I've heard from Hare Krishna people.

Is this possible? Is there an eternal form of god dancing and a band of followers in front of him/her singing praise? Hmm. Or what about the impersonalist belief where one is totally free of attachment and desire?

Exploring them, they do rest on a number of assumptions..

1. That a human is the highest, final incarnation within a hierarchy of life forms [This belief rests on teleological assumptions]. Humans are too quick to project themselves upon the universe, with the gods being like humans [looks, language, behaviour, construction work], and the idea that *happiness* and *suffering* are essential pieces of the universe.

2. That a human can be free of all attachment and desire [What about the need for other people for our well being? What about income, food, water, sex and survival?]. The meditating monk will also depend on alms or charity. It's easy to be distracted by that reality when you sit down in peace but one cannot escape that dependence. The act of spiritual practice and wanting to go deeper is a desire as well.

here's the perfect example I am talking about. Face value vs. sounds good. "Western definition sounds lackluster. " Self/ meaning yourself, realization/ meaning realize. Realizing who you are. Yes maybe lackluster. But everyone understands what that means. You don't have to guess. The meaning is right in the word. If it took on a personal meaning for you, wonderful! But personal and overall are different. Or at least it was the last time I looked. I could be wrong again.

[Unseeking Seeker]

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I found this video relevant in as far as the mental understanding of God and realisation goes

https://youtu.be/CoF0pOcKOCc

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[hallow]

Self realization is to me. Getting out there, maybe to succeed, maybe to fail. Either way, to experience life. Getting something out of the joy of success, the pain of failure. To see what I am really capable of. To realize who I really am. I don't believe you can get that from any writing or any guide. It only comes from living life.
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[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Is self realization attainable?

Yes self realization is attainable. Self means/is the ego, the I, the me, the thinker and realization means, an act of becoming fully aware of something as a fact https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/realization. So self realization means to be fully aware of my ego, my I, my me, my thinker as a fact that just is/that just exists.

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Yes self realization is attainable. Self means/is the ego, the I, the me, the thinker and realization means, an act of becoming fully aware of something as a fact https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/realization. So self realization means to be fully aware of my ego, my I, my me, my thinker as a fact that just is/just exists.

I agree with you.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Yes self realization is attainable. Self means/is the ego, the I, the me, the thinker and realization means, an act of becoming fully aware of something as a fact https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/realization. So self realization means to be fully aware of my ego, my I, my me, my thinker as a fact that just is/that just exists.

I should of have added to my post, I quoted above, which is post #16 that my ego, my I, my me, my thinker is a fact that exists neutral (neutral in this context means the ego is nolt good/bad or positive or negative because our creator created our ego to use as a tool/instrument to enjoy and to interact with what it's creations-the physical universe and everything in the physical universe) and in harmony and with one with our creator, once you have balanced the ego with our creator.

[inavalan]

Me ... conscious self, subconscious, reincarnational selves, probable selves, inner self, gestalts, ...

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Is self realization attainable?

Without wanting to sound glib...Why wouldn't it be?




Unseeking Seeker:
I found this video relevant in as far as the mental
understanding of God and realisation goes
https://youtu.be/CoF0pOcKOCc


I love this guy, thank you. ;)