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Old 29-11-2012, 03:23 AM
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Hey psychoslice. I highly recommend you watch that movie I included at the end. If you are an open minded person, which I would like to assume many spiritual aware people are, then I'd think you wouldn't hold back on something which might challenge your beliefs. It might help you realize differently. it's a very powerful speech. :)
Just in case you didn't know, I am a vegetarian, have been for many years, but still I realize that nothing dies, nothing is born, as long as you believe that you are your mind body, you will fear death in all creatures.
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Old 29-11-2012, 04:33 AM
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Of course not, Hitler was a vegetarian, that's just the way you perceive spirituality, we are all food, everything lives of everything, and it all has nothing to do with your true Nature, or the ultimate spiritual being the you are.

Actually, he wasn't a vegetarian. And I dislike it when people bring this up because it almost seems like an attempt to downplay how vegetarianism can have a profound effect on the soul. Being vegan or vegetarian for ETHICAL reasons is a vital step in connecting yourself in a compassionate way, with other beings we share the planet with.
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Old 29-11-2012, 04:38 AM
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Just in case you didn't know, I am a vegetarian, have been for many years, but still I realize that nothing dies, nothing is born, as long as you believe that you are your mind body, you will fear death in all creatures.

I don't necessarily fear death in all creatures. I'm not saying a lion shouldn't eat a gazelle. It's the violent, unnecessary death camps we have constructed that I have a problem with, and I know it's not just me, but undoubtedly all the animals as well.

Since we have the capacity to choose a kinder way of eating, I think there is a moral and spiritual imperative in that to do so. I'm glad you are already vegetarian, next step I would hope is veganism. I think it would be beneficial though to connect more with the animals you don't eat and realize that there is something powerful, something deeper in a connection of knowing more about where our food comes from and where it ultimately "doesn't" come from; sentient beings.
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Old 29-11-2012, 06:05 AM
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I don't necessarily fear death in all creatures. I'm not saying a lion shouldn't eat a gazelle. It's the violent, unnecessary death camps we have constructed that I have a problem with, and I know it's not just me, but undoubtedly all the animals as well.

Since we have the capacity to choose a kinder way of eating, I think there is a moral and spiritual imperative in that to do so. I'm glad you are already vegetarian, next step I would hope is veganism. I think it would be beneficial though to connect more with the animals you don't eat and realize that there is something powerful, something deeper in a connection of knowing more about where our food comes from and where it ultimately "doesn't" come from; sentient beings.
No, I would never want to be a vegan, even monkeys and apes eat some form of meat, be it ants, insects, and other small animals, chimpanzees have been known to even eat each other.

But I'm happy that you are happy doing want you believe to be right for you, but that doesn't mean that you have to push that belief onto others, and believing that you have to be a vegan to be spiritual and kind, even Jesus stuck his teeth into a few fish.
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Old 29-11-2012, 06:15 AM
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It is the other way round: food cannot make you spiritual, but if you are spiritual your food habits will change. Eating anything will not make much difference. You can be a vegetarian and cruel to the extreme, and violent; you can be a non-vegetarian and kind and loving. Food will not make much difference. In India there are communities who have lived totally with vegetarian food; many Brahmins have lived totally with vegetarian food. They are non-violent but they are not spiritual.
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Old 29-11-2012, 09:05 AM
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Once, a while ago now I spent a long time watching a cow asleep in a field, dreaming.
I listened regularly at a certain time of year to cows calling endlessly through the night for their calves which had been taken prematurely from them -for slaughter, and after all, they were only there in the first place so we could all have milk on our cornflakes, or enjoy ice-cream.
Those cows would call for days and nights on end until their voices were hoarse. Then they got on with their short lives (no use when they get too old for the whole cycle of producing food)

I felt the energetic form (etheric? astral? body) of a sheep which had just been killed, pass right through me.

I know these creatures we use for our convenience, or for a juicy tasty dinner, or just because we can't imagine coffee without cream....are sentient, they grieve, they dream, they have a Soul.

When we know that by using our intelligence and by being willing to make change actually happen, we can obtain great health and a good tasty balanced diet with all the nutrients we need, by becoming vegan, or even vegetarian, then we should.

That is a wonderful post. Well done and well said.
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Old 29-11-2012, 09:15 AM
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Of course not, Hitler was a vegetarian, that's just the way you perceive spirituality, we are all food, everything lives of everything, and it all has nothing to do with your true Nature, or the ultimate spiritual being the you are.

But not out of compassion, he only did it for the sake of his health and to prolong his life. And he banned the German Vegetarian Society because while he wasn't going to eat flesh himself, he wanted his soildiers and people fuelled up on red meat to fulfill his lunatic militaristic plans.
Oh and he was also a practising black magician.

On the other point, that's a very Old Testament style viewpoint. We are lords and masters of the universe?! We aren't!

All life is animated by the spirit of God. All life is one. Say it once, say it a thousand times.

Humans may be more evolved - or supposed to be! - than the Animal Kingdom, but it is the sacred duty of the higher to guide, care for and protect the lower.
'Our' abuse of the Animal Kingdom and Mother Earth is a very great wrong.

And far from being 'top dogs,' on the evolutionary scale humans are near the bottom, not the top.

Without LOVE 'you' won't be ascending very far up the spheres of Light, which is the very purpose of spiritual evolution/life itself.
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All this talk of religion, but it's how you live your life that is the all-important thing.
If you set out each day to do all the goodness and kindness that you can, and to do no harm to man or beast, then you are walking the highest path.
And when your time is up, if you can leave the earth a better place than you found it, then yours will have been a life well lived.

http://holy-lance.blogspot.com
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Old 29-11-2012, 09:21 AM
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1) But I'm happy that you are happy doing want you believe to be right for you, but that doesn't mean that you have to push that belief onto others, and believing that you have to be a vegan to be spiritual and kind,

2) even Jesus stuck his teeth into a few fish.

1) If enlightened people did not shine their light to light the way for others we'd still be in a state of savagery.

2) No he didn't. That was another of the Church's fabrications. Jesus was a vegan.
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All this talk of religion, but it's how you live your life that is the all-important thing.
If you set out each day to do all the goodness and kindness that you can, and to do no harm to man or beast, then you are walking the highest path.
And when your time is up, if you can leave the earth a better place than you found it, then yours will have been a life well lived.

http://holy-lance.blogspot.com
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Old 29-11-2012, 09:24 AM
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It is the other way round: food cannot make you spiritual, but if you are spiritual your food habits will change. Eating anything will not make much difference. You can be a vegetarian and cruel to the extreme, and violent; you can be a non-vegetarian and kind and loving. Food will not make much difference. In India there are communities who have lived totally with vegetarian food; many Brahmins have lived totally with vegetarian food. They are non-violent but they are not spiritual.

If one is truly on the Path then right diet goes hand in hand with right conduct.
You could argue that there is no hard and fast rule as such, but there is, which is to live as harmlessly as possible (as well as rendering as much Service as possible.)
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All this talk of religion, but it's how you live your life that is the all-important thing.
If you set out each day to do all the goodness and kindness that you can, and to do no harm to man or beast, then you are walking the highest path.
And when your time is up, if you can leave the earth a better place than you found it, then yours will have been a life well lived.

http://holy-lance.blogspot.com
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Old 29-11-2012, 10:37 AM
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But not out of compassion, he only did it for the sake of his health and to prolong his life. And he banned the German Vegetarian Society because while he wasn't going to eat flesh himself, he wanted his soildiers and people fuelled up on red meat to fulfill his lunatic militaristic plans.
Oh and he was also a practising black magician.

On the other point, that's a very Old Testament style viewpoint. We are lords and masters of the universe?! We aren't!

All life is animated by the spirit of God. All life is one. Say it once, say it a thousand times.

Humans may be more evolved - or supposed to be! - than the Animal Kingdom, but it is the sacred duty of the higher to guide, care for and protect the lower.
'Our' abuse of the Animal Kingdom and Mother Earth is a very great wrong.

And far from being 'top dogs,' on the evolutionary scale humans are near the bottom, not the top.

Without LOVE 'you' won't be ascending very far up the spheres of Light, which is the very purpose of spiritual evolution/life itself.
That's your belief, and I appreciate that, but lets not shove that onto everyone else, there are many people who eat meant and are probably more spiritual than those who don't eat meat, who is judging, a god ?, I don't think so, you are your own judge, if you feel guilty eating meat, then don't.
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