Vedic gods vs Hindu gods

[Vinayaka]

People are free to have whatever religious view they wish, interpret texts whatever they wish, interpret history whatever way they wish. What matters is how you live your life, controlling anger, getting along with your neighbour no matter what differences there are, and more.

This 'my way or the highway' stuff is frankly, tiring.

[Pleroma]

Originally Posted by Mana Æ-Varyl

Hindus don't need to agree on anything,

They have to because Vedas are the revealed scriptures and the true words of the gods just as Bible is the true word of Jehovah and Koran is the true word of Allah. Anyone who is holding beliefs contradictory to the Vedas cannot be treated as Hindus.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by Pleroma

I completely agree with this article here. Hindu gods like Krishna, Rama, Lakshmi, Ganesha, Parvathi, Kali, Shiva, Durga, Hanuman are not real and they are just stories. The real gods are the Vedic gods like Agni, Soma, Varuna, Aruna, Yama, Surya, Daksha, Usha, Ashwin, Pushan, Mitra, Savitr, Twastha etc etc.

Its time to honor the old gods and end the ignorance shrouded by these Hindu gods upon Indian minds.

I would say it is pure nonsense. The vedic deities actually deals with certain auspicious spiritual energies.

The Hindu Avatars like Rama, Krishna, and Rama's comrade Hanuman are real.

This is because there are Avatars at present in India whose activities I have witnessed.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by Pleroma

Even Shankara, the reviver of Advaita philosophy in the 7th century AD was wrong. The correct formulation of Advaita Vedanta as believed by the Vedic rishis was given by Sri Aurobindo in the form of Integral Advaitism where he strongly criticizes the views of Shankara.

Aurobindo was a great saint and scholar, but he was not enlightened.

Originally Posted by Pleroma

It is only in the Upanishads and in Bhagavad Gita written by Vyasa, the corrupter of the Vedas that too much emphasis is given to reincarnation, in the Vedas reincarnation is not emphasized much and almost completely absent.

Reincarnation is a fact anyway. It is also mentioned in the Yoga Vasistha.

[jonesboy]

They are all real. All of them and the Buddhist and from all the worlds in all the dimensions. there are countless divine beings at various levels of depth in the heavens one could say.

It is a beautiful thing that so many divine being are out there willing to help. They do and we all here the stories or are blessed to experience visions and the like.

It does not have to be a my team is better than yours. It just your team is what speaks to you, that feels right.

[Pleroma]

Originally Posted by ajay00

I would say it is pure nonsense. The vedic deities actually deals with certain auspicious spiritual energies.

The Hindu Avatars like Rama, Krishna, and Rama's comrade Hanuman are real.

This is because there are Avatars at present in India whose activities I have witnessed.

Ramayana and Mahabharata are smriti which means they are not revealed scriptures, they are nothing but fictional stories played by fictional characters. Krishna, Rama, Hanuman etc are not real and they do not exist. Vedas and the Upanishads are sruti which means they are the revealed scriptures i.e. revealed by the real gods of the Vedas.

Modern Hindus do not know anything about their own religion.

[Pleroma]

Originally Posted by ajay00

Aurobindo was a great saint and scholar, but he was not enlightened.

Vivekananda himself appeared to Aurobindo while he was in jail in the form of a vision and enlightened Aurobindo with new teachings which Vivekananda himself didn't knew while he was in his body on earth.

The kind of contribution that Aurobindo has made to Indian psychology and to the Vedic literature no one would doubt or question his credibility while his haters are going to continue to hate him psychologists and scholars around the world are already studying his ideas which is a slap to the faces of his haters.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by Pleroma

Ramayana and Mahabharata are smriti which means they are not revealed scriptures, they are nothing but fictional stories played by fictional characters. Krishna, Rama, Hanuman etc are not real and they do not exist. Vedas and the Upanishads are sruti which means they are the revealed scriptures i.e. revealed by the real gods of the Vedas.

Modern Hindus do not know anything about their own religion.

See, just because the epics were not sruti, which means revealed truths , such as the Vedas and Upanishads, does not mean that they did not take place. That argument itself is fallacious.

It is quite hard for westerners to understand Hindu culture and religion which is many milleniums old.

And hence, unfortunately a lot of distortion has taken place due to this lack of basic understanding which has done a lot of damage.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by Pleroma

Vivekananda himself appeared to Aurobindo while he was in jail in the form of a vision and enlightened Aurobindo with new teachings which Vivekananda himself didn't knew while he was in his body on earth.

The kind of contribution that Aurobindo has made to Indian psychology and to the Vedic literature no one would doubt or question his credibility while his haters are going to continue to hate him psychologists and scholars around the world are already studying his ideas which is a slap to the faces of his haters.

Just because Vivekananda appeared to Aurobindo in a vision and intuitively taught him does not mean that Aurobindo attained enlightenment or Nirvana. That is a completely different phenomena altogether which is attained by self-effort.

This itself shows the basic ignorance regarding enlightenment or Moksha.

[OPVerma]

Originally Posted by Pleroma

This thread is not about AIT, irrespective of whether Aryans were indigenous to India or migrated to India from else where it remains a fact that modern Hindus do not worship the Vedic gods seriously any more. Hindu gods are minor compared to the Vedic gods and their Puranas are just stories and no greater reality should be attributed to them.

I do not think you have read 4 Vedas and 18 Purans and did enough research.

Indra and his 11 brothers (including Vishnu and Vivaswan- the sun god ) who are the heroes of Vedas are the sons of Aditi and Kashyap. They were Super human beings in their Airy bodies. They lived in Pamir & Europe (during 120.5 million years - 1506 BC) and possessed supernatural powers (like showering rain, controlling bonfire, hurricanes etc.) because of which they were worshiped in Vedas through hymns and chants.

In a conflict with Krishna, Indra lost his power of showering rain. Since then Krishna became the worship-able god marking the commencement of so called HINDU Dharma appx. 1500 BC. Soon Ved Vyasa wrote 18 Purans and included all the knowledge about God, Nature , Soul, Cosmos, Life, etc. into it unknown to Public Till then. These Purans and Bhagavad-Gita became the Prime scriptures of Hindu religion sidelining Vedas.

Based on Purans, I have detected errors in NASA, Einstein's Cosmology that could be seen in astronomy section of SF, so PURANS are not just stories.It is storehouse all knowledge