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Old 25-04-2020, 04:08 AM
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Read my OP again BigJohn - I didn't say anything about God showing his face.

If it would be so easy just to 'look around' and find the proof there life would be much simpler. Anyway that stuff you want us to look at as proof could have been created by a Chinese Dragon.
Why do our joints consist of a ball and socket? And why is the ball always where it is suppose to be? For example, a joint consist of a ball and socket so why don't we see a joint with the ball and socket in the opposite order - socket and ball?



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As for the cause and effect statement, well, obviously there would have to be an explanation as to where any god came from. Silly of you to propose such a question.
If there is an explanation, then where did any god(s) come from, why is it nobody has been able to find the 'cause'?





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I doubt if Plato, (I think it was him) sitting on his boulder in Greece can't really have known anything about any Atlantis, especially not one sitting in the middle of the Atlantic ocean. An Atlantis which by the way hasn't risen out of the sea in 2000 as predicted by Cayce.
Plato was the first to write about Atlantis. Atlantis was an emerging World Empire that was conquering and enslaving one country after another in the known World. It was the 'boys from Atlantis' who put a stop to Atlantis' agression.
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If there is an explanation, then where did any god(s) come from, why is it nobody has been able to find the 'cause'?
I answered this in my book: "If you open-mindedly research the subject and investigate the matter yourself, making allowance for and discounting both charlatanry and chicanery, you will find a great deal of cogent evidence. The fields of hypnosis, parapsychology and healing, for example, each contain many trustworthy accounts of demonstrations by adept individuals, as well as numerous reports of results obtained in carefully controlled experiments, which unequivocally indicate that attitude and intention, in combination, are phenomenally determining.

Even so, because there is no causal explanation for psychospiritual dynamics, you may still find the notion of their efficacy difficult to believe and trust in. But such reservation can be overcome, once you grasp the fact that all causal explanations are relative—relative to some antecedent set of circumstances or phenomena. First causes, by their very nature, brook no explanation. Therefore, while all happenings can be explained in terms of psychospiritual dynamics, psychospiritual dynamics themselves, being primary, cannot be explained as a function of anything else. The most we can do is to note the effects of their miraculous ‘Isness’. Their 'mechanism' is “past finding out.” (Romans 11:33) They just are what they are!

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Old 25-04-2020, 02:40 PM
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I answered this in my book: "If you open-mindedly research the subject and investigate the matter yourself, making allowance for and discounting both charlatanry and chicanery, you will find a great deal of cogent evidence. The fields of hypnosis, parapsychology and healing, for example, each contain many trustworthy accounts of demonstrations by adept individuals, as well as numerous reports of results obtained in carefully controlled experiments, which unequivocally indicate that attitude and intention, in combination, are phenomenally determining.

Even so, because there is no causal explanation for psychospiritual dynamics, you may still find the notion of their efficacy difficult to believe and trust in. But such reservation can be overcome, once you grasp the fact that all causal explanations are relative—relative to some antecedent set of circumstances or phenomena. First causes, by their very nature, brook no explanation. Therefore, while all happenings can be explained in terms of psychospiritual dynamics, psychospiritual dynamics themselves, being primary, cannot be explained as a function of anything else. The most we can do is to note the effects of their miraculous ‘Isness’. Their 'mechanism' is “past finding out.” (Romans 11:33) They just are what they are!


What I was alluding to is their is no apparent 'cause' for the effect known as the Big Bang. Before the Big Bang, time apparently did not exist.

Some claim God existed before the Big Bang and that God has no beginning and that there was no 'cause' for what became known as God.
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What I was alluding to is their is no apparent 'cause' for the effect known as the Big Bang. Before the Big Bang, time apparently did not exist.

Some claim God existed before the Big Bang and that God has no beginning and that there was no 'cause' for what became known as God.
I 'get' all that, John. I hope you 'got' what I was 'alluding' to.
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I think you have nailed it here
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I think you have nailed it here
You talkin' to me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkpes3dgzg



Welcome to the fray either way, freddyfresh.
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Old 02-05-2020, 09:50 PM
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Or alternatively

Little Jack Horner
Sat in the corner,
Eating his Christmas pie;
He put in his thumb,
And pulled out an orange,
And said, "What the hell's this doing here?"

iamthat,

I like your humor. Some come up with oranges, some with plums! Some choose to start arguments about which is preferable, right?

My "rule of thumb" is to simply enjoy the deliciousness either opportunity "hands" to you.
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