How do we find the balance

Blair - - it is NOT out of the realm of possibility. It's happened many times in hostory - - and will happen many times again.

kkawohl - - if you are just beginning to contend with IF we have a spirit, how It functions, and how It interacts with the physical body undervarious circumstances - - then you have a major portion of the Path lying in front of you. No one is going to be able to wrap up lifetimes of uncovering what is and what is not in a public forum.

Few would wish to even try. It would be endless - - as this question already is.

Your questions center within the entire Path itself.

On we go.

:->

Originally Posted by Glorymist

Blair - - it is NOT out of the realm of possibility. It's happened many times in hostory - - and will happen many times again.

kkawohl - - if you are just beginning to contend with IF we have a spirit, how It functions, and how It interacts with the physical body undervarious circumstances - - then you have a major portion of the Path lying in front of you. No one is going to be able to wrap up lifetimes of uncovering what is and what is not in a public forum.

Few would wish to even try. It would be endless - - as this question already is.

Your questions center within the entire Path itself.

On we go.

:->

I DO KNOW THAT THE SPIRITUAL AND SUPERNATURAL TAKE PLACE ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE. I WANTED KKAWOHL TO FIND THAT CONCLUSION ON HIS OWN.
AND THANK YOU FOR WRAPING UP THAT LAST QUESTION. I WANTED TO SIMPLIFY MY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE AND OPINIONS. BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ENDLESS AND TO NO AVAIL AS MY PATH IS FOR ME. (THINGS I KNOW BUT DO FORGET)

Originally Posted by Glorymist

Creator - - Soul does not have memory. Soul Itself does not utilize a memory of any kind. Soul uses mind at its memory functions for work / life down here in these worlds. But - - since Soul has no memory - - It could not remember or forget - - anything.

For various people / books to promote otherwise - - is just mind's way of trying to slide another facet of Soul down into it's ( minds) world. Yes - - for Soul to "remember" would be more logical - - since logic is of the mental worlds too.

And - - you are right. God does NOT deny us anything. We do it to ourselves. And we "earn" un-loving reactions / effects in return.

I can

[quote=Creator]I can

Everything is "God" just not everything is aware of this fact. God is the base element from which all things are made - you can look at a gold ring and say that is a ring, or that is a gold ring or that is gold shaped like a ring or that is gold - all these statements are correct but only one maintains it's integrity if the ring is melted into some other shape - it is gold. So it is with "God" although in truth labelling the nameless causes the usual problems that labelling causes - so it is correct to say i am dreamer, i am god in the shape of dreamer or i am god all of these are correct but only one has integrity when the shape of dreamer transforms - see? God is the element just like gold. the base element from which all comes so god is everything, everything is god (even a gold ring)

The only thing that keeps up the appearance of seperation from God is the perception that one is seperate, but how can one be seperate if one is one?

IMHO, everything in the universe follows the universal laws that separate the physical and the spiritual existence. Our bodies build up and harness a minute amount of spiritual energy that is transferred into the spiritual dimension upon our death. Then this spiritual energy is limitless because it lacks resistance and this energy can assimilate as a unity or be separate and individual. It is this spiritual energy that is God. It is a composition of souls, the spiritual intellect of the universe of every soul that has passed from the physical universe into the spiritual universe. It can create a spiritual existence of beauty that is beyond the imagination.

People often believe they will be condemned if they do not believe a certain way. Enlightenment is a state of intellectual or spiritual awareness; the process of this spiritual awareness is translated by the mind. An aural experience is the mind's interpretation of either a spiritual or intellectual interaction with the subconscious that can also be considered the spirit. Any translation is subject to the mind's conditioning, hence, when the interceder, the mind is enlightened, it translates the reception accordingly.

Many of our experiences here are as an example of spiritual life. A child until about the age of about 2 is receptive to and believes all that he/she hears, observes, and is told. This is the most influential period and will greatly shape the remainder of his life; all information is stored within the subconscious.

After age two, independence is exercised and rebellion is the next step. Many teenagers begin to doubt their parents’ judgment and usually a young adult in his twenties moves away from home. Some will no longer keep in touch with or communicate with the parent. The spirit or soul will also at interval periods sever the lines of communication and at times communication with the Spirit of God will cease entirely.

Every person is born with a spirit. A child’s spirit is a part of the mother's spirit that is passed down to the fetus and is then separated from its host at birth. It remains partially spiritually connected to the past host until it is capable of receiving its own data by the development of the child's reasoning capabilities at about 18 months from its birth. At that time the spirit separates from the mother and the child develops it's own spirit.

The spirit cannot exist without a host. If the host or a mother with reasoning capabilities is not available during that time, the child's spirit bonds temporarily with the spirit of its physical provider. At about age 1 1/2 the spirit separates from the mother and the child develops it's own spirit. The conscience relays information to the spirit. Consciousness arises when contact has been made with a base; (sense or emotion) this is when spirit initiates its first recording. The spirit is the database of the senses and emotions.


There are several levels of consciousness:


A. On a scale of 1 to 10 rating, with consciousness being level 1 where the spirit accumulates data and triggers emotions.
B. The upper level of sub consciousness is at level 2; involuntary subconscious reactions are sometimes manifested.
C. The dream level at 3; a series of thoughts and visions are introduced.
Level 4 is deep sleep.
D. Hibernation or very deep sleep is at level 5.
E. At level 6 unconsciousness sets in.
F. Spiritual data is stored between levels 6 and 9.
G. At 10 the subconscious is at a point of physical imminent death.
The "deserving" spirit that has established lines of communications with Spirit of God is transmitted to the spiritual realm, filtered and cleansed of all negative emotions; then it bonds with the Supreme Spirit.

When a personality disorder affects the data input process, data is filtered. Brain injury does not supersede the soul; at that point data input simply ceases. If one seems to have severely impaired reasoning capabilities it does not necessarily mean that reasoning capabilities are not, or never were present. Sometimes reasoning capabilities cannot be displayed or communicated to another.

Being with spirit, unless one is completely emotionless, a spirit is present. One may say that emotions are psychological, (of the psyche) structuralism, psychobiological, but they are nevertheless of the spirit; which also subscribes to a form of natural selection. The mind is unable to consciously communicate with the spirit. The conscience is the only communicator with the spirit or soul. The conscience relays information to the spirit unless the conscience is anesthetized by immoral acts or evil deeds.

The spirit or soul exists in the collective mental processes of the subconscious. The subconscious part of the mind and is also where the mental processes of creativity originate. The conscience adds to and stores life experiences with the spirit/soul. If the conscience is anesthetized by other than righteous conduct the existence of the spirit gradually fades and is eventually extinguished.

A deserving (clean) spirit consists of ethics, morality, good deeds, kindness, consideration for and helping others; being "righteous" insures the survival of the soul. When the body dies, any soul that is not transmitted, and has not bonded with God, dies; it simply ceases to exist.

The conscience is guided by its capacity to disseminate between pure and improper acceptable social norms. A determination is made by the conscience to abide by either the pure or proper, or to stretch the norm.

Deeds contrary to purity eventually anesthetizes the conscience and lines of communication with the spirit and God are severed. Evil is not adaptable to, or compatible with Pure Intelligence. The cultural norm deduces acceptable proper behavior. If one lives thereby, the conscience is clear and no deity in the spiritual realm will judge or condemn anyone.

How do you touch and feel without emotion or sense; which is spirit; without having it recorded by your subconscious where the spirit resides? The spirit is spirit and not a religious force and is neither heaven sent, nor heaven inspired, though some people via deep meditation can have their spirit interact with God’s spirit. Sentience is the ability to sense, capability of feeling, consciousness.

The spirit is in the subconscious and often controls what one writes and thinks. The soul and spirit are often considered identical, though the soul has also been referred to as the vessel for the spirit.

The only physical effect that we can derive from the Spirit of God is by way of us receiving inspirations and blessings. In order to accomplish this, lines of communication through righteous living, need to be established between our spirit and the Spirit of God during our lifetime in order for our soul to survive after our physical demise. Any soul or spirit, upon a person's physical death, that does not bond or is not transmitted by us and received by the Supreme Spirit ceases to exist.

We exist physically and with the spirit on the present plane with negative and positive karma. Righteous living and meditation filter and cleanse the negative karma of the spirit. The soul is the encompassing vessel that carries the spirit to its destination upon the physical demise. The soul is also the data storage area in the subconscious and is not subject to emotions; it can however trigger physical reflexes and responses. When the spirit leaves its host (physical demise) it has to be received by and interlace with the spirit host or it ceases its existence; upon the bonding with the spirit host, the spirit continues eternally.

The spirit, when the mind is in mental stasis, can at times connect with the Supreme Spirit, as evidenced by messengers. (Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc.) The mind's ability to interpret this connection and messages is often deficient; hence we have the creation of various religions.

Sync, harmony, and a coexistence of souls, are a part of God. Preferred total isolation, rebellious behavior and a desire for pain, are mental imbalances and instabilities. The soul has to be stable in order to achieve perpetuity.

A person afflicted by bodily sufferings can at times be closer to God than one who is in daily turmoil and obsessed with acquiring and hoarding wealth for himself, rather than sharing and making life bearable for the needy. Our main purpose in life is to expand our knowledge and to strive for a peaceful coexistence with an inspirational guidance from God; to coexist with our spiritual partners in harmony through eternity. Our earth is just a minuscule place in the vast expanse of the universe.

The "spiritual dimension” at some point interacts with the physical dimension ...that is where one can find evidence of the spiritual realm of God, although all of our scientific facts are applicable only in this physical dimension, not in the spiritual. The existence of spiritual souls or God, or God’s Spirit interacting with the spirits of physical beings cannot and will never be proven by science.

Evidence is proof, something that shows what is true. Truth is established by testifying, bearing witness, attesting, declaring under oath that what is testified to, is actuality. In a court of law, as in civil action, evidence is presented and the validity of this evidence is assessed by a judge or jury who rule on it; their decision is accepted and it is determined that proof has been established by a preponderance of the evidence.

Throughout several millennia evidence has been presented that the Spirit of God has interacted with our spirit; this interaction was interpreted accordingly and written in the Torah, Bible, Qur'an, etc. When God interacts with our spirit it is like a father interacting with a two-year-old child. Our mind has to translate what the spirit has assimilated. It is the knowledge of everything in the past, not the future. The future makes its own path & is not predetermined.

The Ultimate Truth is indecipherable by the human mind and can only be divulged to the spirit which also often misinterprets its meaning, hence we have various religions and beliefs.

Namaste,
Kurt

p.s. please visit my website.

What's your website address Kurt?

Originally Posted by dreamer

What's your website address Kurt?

http://transcendentalists.org

I will take a look.

[peteyzen]

Interesting post kkawohl
its certainly one way of seeing things and although I don`t agree with some specific details you have posted (but its nice to see someone give some detail) we agree on many issues thanks for posting and I will check out your web site

Love and light