A true spiritual master's opinion always resonates with a truespiritual seeker's one

kishore · #1 31-05-2019, 04:24 PM

Yes a person who is truly on spiritual path no matter where he is in his spiritual journey easily identifies or agrees with the opinion of true spiritual master because a true spiritual seeker must have had glimpses of soul's voice although he is yet to integrate or stabilize the soul in him permanently, just for knowledge.

JustBe · #2 01-06-2019, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kishore

Yes a person who is truly on spiritual path no matter where he is in his spiritual journey easily identifies or agrees with the opinion of true spiritual master because a true spiritual seeker must have had glimpses of soul's voice although he is yet to integrate or stabilize the soul in him permanently, just for knowledge.

Yes.

Activations can open ones awareness but ultimately the seeker has to integrate the awareness into a more complete mindy/body awareness if they choose too.

I’ll often be sharing things to other seekers and they will say. “ I don’t understand exactly what your saying, but there is a part of me that resonates to this truth” it’s the unplugging or remembering coming into the shared space.

wstein · #3 01-06-2019, 06:04 AM

Not much of a 'Master' if didn't know what the seeker needed to hear.

JustBe · #4 01-06-2019, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wstein

Not much of a 'Master' if didn't know what the seeker needed to hear.

How do you see a master?

(If we speak in terms of the everyday person as the seeker and master)

wstein · #5 03-06-2019, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JustBe

How do you see a master?

(If we speak in terms of the everyday person as the seeker and master)

Your question is not clear to me in context of the second sentence.

Do you want to know how I see a master or do you want me to speak about everyday persons?

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A master is one who knows their inner (divine) nature and acts from that inner self.

#6 02-06-2019, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wstein

Not much of a 'Master' if

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Not to mention the one sure sign that they are not a master is that they think they are one.

Miss Hepburn · #7 02-06-2019, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by janielee

Not to mention the one sure sign that they are not a master is that they think they are one.

I would have to disagree, sorry...a master can know he has an immense amount
to teach to bring his brothers and sisters to God-realization...
YEARS of effort and meditation and grace...you know when you have mastered something, overcome obstacles finally.
At the same time be very humble and like Jesus was and is..serving only God

zorkchop · #8 08-06-2019, 02:36 AM

A True Spiritual Master will recognize where the student is . . . will offer a few nudges or offerings as to what that student will encounter if and when that individual grows beyond where s/he is . . . the True Master will then encounter resistance by the student taking any number of avenues . . . and then the True Master will back off and let the individual learn by the greatest Teacher of All . . . LIFE. The Master will let any number of lifetimes scour the individual in the hopes that the said individual will listen next time. This resistance is difficult enough to deal with when confronting just the mental / emotional stances of an individual.

The number of people who are bold enough, adventurous enough, and willing to take the risks involved to even barely explore beyond the limits of their current state of consciousness . . . the number of people is very, VERY small. Sorry . . . that’s just the way it is. I don’t make the rules. I didn’t learn this the “easy” way.

People will recognize as “true” only that which they currently believe and already accept as true . . . no matter the “feeling” . . . no matter the “sensation” . . . no matter the tingle.

The human state of consciousness . . . coupled with ego / vanity . . . will absolutely *demand* that TRUTH is this or that. Certainly . . . it IS “this or that” . . . but it is NOT realized until the individual has unfolded enough to recognize IT . . . and then . . . there is always another step to take . . . a bit more to learn . . . a slight revision to complete . . . and to continue to ever-expand . . . to ever-grow . . . to ever-unfold.

We have ALL heard . . . “I KNOW the TRUTH” . . . from others . . . forever. We have ALL found that statement to fall way short of actual TRUTH. Disappointment builds . . . resentment grows . . . suspicion prevails . . . the Path is NOT easy.

VERY few people actually know where they are on the Path . . . so . . . due to ego and the basic human state of consciousness . . . those who can throw around a few terms and use dance steps to dodge basic questions and revelations all tend to believe that they are VERY advanced. In the mental worlds . . . they may be. To go beyond the mind is not as easy as “stopping the mind” or “going within” or “demanding that s/he knows.”

Thankfully . . . and mercifully . . . there are “signposts” as to where one is . . . and there are actual recognizable “signs” of being “beyond the mind” . . . of “viewing from Soul.” To find out what these signposts are and to then rely upon them and trust them . . . isa other story altogether. It is very simple . . . but it is NOT easy.

One principle you can take to the bank . . . if it is easily found . . . if it is highly promoted . . . if it is publicly popular . . . if it is widely accepted . . . if there are monasteries and schools filled with people . . . you can just bet that it may be helpful but it is extremely limited . . . mostly to the mental areas. Too go beyond the mind . . . takes work . . . effort . . . risk . . . dedication . . . commitment . . . persistence . . . discipline . . . courage . . . strength . . . etc. These necessary and vital virtues are NOT taught or promoted in these worlds. Most often . . . they are downplayed as unnecessary. Maybe . . . just maybe . . . some VERY simple levels of these virtues . . . some of them . . . maybe ARE necessary. Later . . . one finds out just how vital they really are.

The point of this is NOT to discourage. The way forward . . . is to find someone who has “been” to where you want to go . . . and then listen to him / her. If you wish to take a trip over to China and wish to know where the best places to go are . . . you will locate and talk to someone who has been there or whose job it is to know the best places . . . such as a travel agent. If you wish to know the best stock in which to invest . . . you will find an analyst who has succeeded. If you wish to learn a foreign language . . . you will find someone who speaks the language and is willing to help you.

If you wish to grow beyond where you are . . . find someone . . . and listen to him / her. If not . . . then dig in your heels and resort to “I already know . . . “ or “I don’t agree” . . . and wait it out . . . for lifetimes. The real question is . . . do you trust another to give you guidance . . . or do you trust yourself to be able to deal with what you are given. Can you recognize what will broaden . . . or add to the limitations?

This is one of the very subtle but significant reasons why the Path takes so long to “Master.” Few really know where they are . . . they cannot recognize where they are to “go” from where they are . . . ( since they haven’t been “there” ) . . . and are incredibly reluctant to try anything that is not already accepted as “The Real Way” by some well-recognized group.

Therefore . . . it all ends up bottlenecked in the mental realms.

It is a very slow process.

zorkchop · #9 11-06-2019, 04:05 PM

JustBe . . .

I am gonna have to claim ignorance here . . . or maybe just density. I have no idea what you mean by your comment but it sounds intriguing. I'm not taking it as a negative altho I could be wrong. Care to expand on that so I understand a bit more of what you meant?

zorkchop · #10 11-06-2019, 05:28 PM

Josephine . . .

If you don’t mind . . . I’d rather wait for JustBe’s explanation . . . if there is one . . . instead of going by another’s interpretation. Even so . . . the two statements . . . yours and his . . . seem to have very little . . . if anything . . . in common.

I am saddened that you perhaps missed opportunities that you had in front of you at one time . . . and probably still do . . . if the right effort and attitude were employed. Initially I only wished you the best . . . and still do. Blaming me for everything is a safe route. I do not take it personally. I’ve been through it with my own issues . . . and have blamed entities MUCH greater than I for my own shortcomings. It always turned out to be only a momentary fix.

I don’t know HOW many times I have heard the gambit . . . “I am this way because YoU made me that way.” One can hear offshoots everywhere . . . it’s almost like a living entity . . . everyone seems to want to blame someone else for what they are or what they do. Again . . . it’s safe.

It’s always nice to blame someone else for something that you cannot do. It’s as old as mankind itself . . . and as normal as it can be. I just wish it had gone another way for you. I truly believe . . . you would have been VERY happy if it had.

Be well.