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Old 15-06-2014, 05:27 PM
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Lorelyen,

You are misinformed (still) about exactly what it means to practice LOA. This is not about visualizing. It's not people sitting on their bums at home saying "I see my money, I see my money." That is cuckoo-land.

And, I'm not sure I believe that you don't want abundance. That's like saying, "I have no interest in having enough." Having enough means not only right now, but that you aren't totally focused today on what you have to do tomorrow to ...have enough. Abundance is about being relaxed that you will be safe and provided for. That doesn't mean you do nothing to get that. That doesn't mean that you might want more things as time goes on. You continue with the things that you do, especially those that make you happy.

And if, for the most part, what you do makes you happy--great, you're half way there.

There is a saying that "Once poor, you can never be rich enough." That is the opposite of abundance. That is the fear that grips most people throughout their lives. Doesn't it seem like there might be a better way?

I can't convince you that the Universe is vast enough to provide for you what you need without great worry and effort--because, honestly, there are millions--billions who don't believe that. And my reality is affected by all their thoughts/beliefs as well.

There is this prevalent, persistent and pernicious idea that there is only so much in the world--not enough for everyone, therefore we must (a) hurry to get ours and (b) take it from others in order to have.

We have that attitude about air, about resources, about water, about money, wealth--you name it. And there will be legions who chime in here with absolute proof that it is true. And you can keep believing it.

You only change your mind when you begin to act as if it were true that there is no limit. Then you begin to see the difference in your life.

I choose to believe it is boundless, and I see a difference in my life--gradually but exponentially-- when I do.

I have already quoted someone who I felt said it best: "Your universe in boundless. There is more than enough of everything for everyone. "

No one is making you accept that premise. Just keep on keeping on until you die. Unless you see a need for change, there is no reason for change.

Lora
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Old 15-06-2014, 06:55 PM
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That's all very true.
I'd love to know how you 'know' this is true.
Please don't dismiss my opinion as 'negative', as most seem to do. I am curious and would like a proper answer.
Of course, if you would prefer to insult, as other members have, that is your right.
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Old 15-06-2014, 07:27 PM
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I'd love to know how you 'know' this is true.
Please don't dismiss my opinion as 'negative', as most seem to do. I am curious and would like a proper answer.
Of course, if you would prefer to insult, as other members have, that is your right.

Ecthalion--

I would like to know what "spiritual" reason drew you to this site. What spiritual thing is it that you believe?

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Old 15-06-2014, 07:33 PM
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Ecthalion--

I would like to know what "spiritual" reason drew you to this site.
And I would be more than happy to answer.

I believe in God, but have no religion.
I have left-wing opinions, which I believe come from my spirituality.
I am a vegetarian, again due to my spirituality.
I am very interested in NDEs, in my opinion the best evidence for life after death.

Do you see a pattern? Everything I am interested in can support itself with evidence. Something which LOA cannot.
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Old 15-06-2014, 08:01 PM
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Lorelyen,

You are misinformed (still) about exactly what it means to practice LOA. This is not about visualizing. It's not people sitting on their bums at home saying "I see my money, I see my money." That is cuckoo-land.
I'm sorry, Lora, for having caused you unnecessary typing..... I was quoting someone else: "If you want something you won't be able to manifest it. If you are wanting something it means that you are telling yourself and the universe you don't have it. Therefore you won't get it. You have to believe/visualize you already have it to manifest it." a paradoxical statement from someone who hasn't thought things through. A nonsense. The concept is still built on a foundation of what the person hasn't got!

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And, I'm not sure I believe that you don't want abundance. That's like saying, "I have no interest in having enough." Having enough means not only right now, but that you aren't totally focused today on what you have to do tomorrow to ...have enough. Abundance is about being relaxed that you will be safe and provided for. That doesn't mean you do nothing to get that. That doesn't mean that you might want more things as time goes on. You continue with the things that you do, especially those that make you happy.
Not sure that's true. "No interest in having enough" isn't really like not wanting abundance. I'm no materialist beyond wanting enough to survive in some degree of comfort. If I should need more - always possible - I'll have to work out how to get it. I have a computer for instance, because it's functionally superior in carrying out the tasks it does compared with any alternative. Were "society" to collapse completely I'll have to adopt different survival tactics, as will we all.


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There is a saying that "Once poor, you can never be rich enough." That is the opposite of abundance. That is the fear that grips most people throughout their lives. Doesn't it seem like there might be a better way?
Quite likely. They have yet to lift off and size themselves up in relation to the cosmos. quod supra sicut infra, sort of thing.

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I can't convince you that the Universe is vast enough to provide for you what you need without great worry and effort--because, honestly, there are millions--billions who don't believe that. And my reality is affected by all their thoughts/beliefs as well.

There is this prevalent, persistent and pernicious idea that there is only so much in the world--not enough for everyone, therefore we must (a) hurry to get ours and (b) take it from others in order to have.

We have that attitude about air, about resources, about water, about money, wealth--you name it. And there will be legions who chime in here with absolute proof that it is true. And you can keep believing it.

You only change your mind when you begin to act as if it were true that there is no limit. Then you begin to see the difference in your life.


Not sure what you're saying here. In people's physical manifestation, the planet is a finite resource being relied upon to provide for an exponentially increasing population. That's reality (however you choose to define it - the state we live in, in our physical selves). If people are to continue to survive physically there is only so much that the planet can supply.


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I choose to believe it is boundless, and I see a difference in my life--gradually but exponentially-- when I do.

I have already quoted someone who I felt said it best: "Your universe in boundless. There is more than enough of everything for everyone. "

No one is making you accept that premise. Just keep on keeping on until you die. Unless you see a need for change, there is no reason for change.
I won't question your belief. Mine is more gnostic - a spirit caged in this material form to do my stint here; and while in this form I have a duty to keep myself going until my time is up. If my (and anyone else's) time is up when, eg, industrialists hack down enough of our oxygen factories to make breathing impossible, so be it. My time will be up.

There really is no sense in pretending we don't have to live in physical form on the planet and should regulate our needs accordingly. In this corporatized world we are ruled i) by multinational corporations and ii) by politicians who can do nothing about the corporations but believe they can shape our lives according to their views of normality (and fail mostly) happier to wage wars and send the young (spiritual beings lodged here too) out to clear up their messes. If our spiritual practices were seen to threaten the status quo governments/corporations would do all they can to stamp us out - as has happened in the past.

There's enough for everyone - at the moment maybe - but there seems to be a severe problem in its distribution.

But, things as they may be....
Lorelyen.
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Old 15-06-2014, 08:47 PM
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And I would be more than happy to answer.

I believe in God, but have no religion.
I have left-wing opinions, which I believe come from my spirituality.
I am a vegetarian, again due to my spirituality.
I am very interested in NDEs, in my opinion the best evidence for life after death.

Do you see a pattern? Everything I am interested in can support itself with evidence. Something which LOA cannot.

If you find NDEs of interest, you might investigate OBEs if you really want experiences that you can "prove". Let me know what you learn.

Lora


P.S. William Buhlman has a great "how to book" -- to help you avoid common mistakes.

http://www.baytallaah.com/bookspdf/132.pdf
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Old 17-07-2014, 10:03 AM
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I really believe in the law of attraction but I believe it is there to teach you along the way and you have to learn the lessons before you move on. I've had too many instances of it working but if I try too hard it doesn't.

The first time I was in a violent relationship, I remember walking home from work and out of misery actually visualising that I wanted out of the relationship, to meet a kind, caring and clever (that one was specific) man, I wanted 1 girl and 1 boy, the white picket fence outside my house. It all sounds very general but I received all of that including the most kind, caring, incredibly clever and funny husband!! I went through a lot to get it all and there were lessons along the way but looking back now I realise it was working even the white picket fence!

However, I didn't really attribute the above to LOA so I made a message board on my phone about 1 year ago. It was very specific - my son was being bullied at school and he had problems with writing and I wanted him especially to find contentment and happiness, I wanted to be near the sea (again not very specific thinking along the lines of a holiday!!), extra money coming in but not winning the lottery. However, I put it down as goals not necessarily again putting it down to the LOA. I put pictures of all of this on my phone and would look at it all maybe once or twice a month. About 5 months later, I remember saying to my colleague - 'I am so happy, I could live my life like this for years' and I felt so grateful for the life I was leading anyway. Then out of the blue my husband phoned saying he'd been offered a job abroad (he hadn't even been looking!!), it was more money and by the sea. My son is especially happy at his new school and is being helped with his writing by a specialist and he is incredibly happy and contented. There is no more bullying for him!!

Now it has had the opposite effect on me! I am too scared for the moment to ask because I just don't know where LOA will take us next and I am just incredibly grateful for the life and family I have. I've always said to my mum things happen for a reason and now she always repeats it back to me!! I'm sure people will think I sound like a crackpot but I truly know what I believe in but you have to be very careful what you want because it could be a roller coaster of a ride getting there!!
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Old 17-07-2014, 10:29 AM
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I realise I sound very Polly Annaish, I don't believe anyone could ask for negative things to happen in their lives. I should know as I've suffered from depression 2 or 3 times in my past. I can't explain how LOA works and all I can say is when it's happening it can be a journey and the journey can go on for years. However, when you get there and you look back - you realise it's happened! I'm sure someone will come back and be incredibly negative about what I've said and say that I sound that I live in cloud cuckoo land and people don't ask for terrible things to happen to them! No they don't ask for things like that, however, i can only give you my positive experiences that have happened in my life and be truthful with you and that genuinely it has worked for me in ways I never thought could happen
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Old 17-07-2014, 10:32 AM
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