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Originally Posted by God-Like
Peeps can't have an open and honest discussion if their not open and honest .
I find I can have plenty of good chats on the forum when there are these qualities in place .
Do you see Mr Muffin slamming the door in peeps faces holding on to some grand notion of how non attached his idol is?
All peeps need to do is stick to the facts of what has been said and not get defensive, not blow things out of all proportion .
If you can't have an open and honest chat about attachments on a spiritual forum without being accused of all sorts then peeps need to look at why that is so .
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Namaste.
I guess that I am looking for a purely logical, intellectual discussion without any emotional investment...problem is that I appear to be emotionally invested in having
that real 'deep and meaningful' chat about Hinduism
on here.
It is very difficult to tell whether another is 'enlightened' irrespective of attachments, vices and whatever else...and in the end, the opinions of another do not matter to a Self realised soul..
To one who
is enlightened, that person would react with the same detached equanimity in the face of praise and blame...adoration or scorn...then they become a figurehead to the schools of conflicting disciplines.
There is another passage in the Bhagavad Gita:
4. A person is said to have attained yogic perfection
When there is no desire for sensual pleasures,
Or attachment to the fruits of work,
And has renounced all personal selfish motives.
5. One must elevate, not degrade, oneself
By one's own mind.
The mind alone is one's friend
As well as one's enemy.
6. The mind is the friend
Of those who have control over it,
And the mind acts like an enemy
For those who do not control it.
7. One who has control over the mind
Is tranquil in heat and cold,
In pleasure and pain, and in honor and dishonor;
And is ever steadfast with the Supreme Self.
8. A yogi is called Self-realized
Who is satisfied with knowledge
And understanding of the Self,
Who is equanimous, who has control over the senses,
And to whom a clod, a stone, and gold are the same.
9. A person is considered superior
Who is impartial towards companions,
Friends, enemies, Neutrals, arbiters,
Haters, relatives, saints, and sinners.
10. Let the yogi seated in solitude and alone
Having mind and senses under control
And free from desires and attachments for possessions,
Try constantly to contemplate on the Supreme Self.
- Bhagavad Gita Chapter 6: 4-10
So, it all boils down to one simple thing...if Nis saw his smoking as being 'impure' or 'unholy' but continued to smoke knowing it was holding him back...different story to
others who say the same thing if he, himself was perfectly fine with it...then, he is 'not enlightened' according to
others when he may be full of the Universal Consciousness
himself but others were unable to see it because 'smoke got in their eyes'...he wouldn't have cared what others thought about him or his smoking habit
anyway.
Aum Namah Shivaya