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Old 14-09-2018, 12:23 PM
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Quote ajay00. ' Addiction or mechanical habit indicates vasanas or egocentric impressions which indicates unconsciousness or unenlightenment.'



So you personally think Nisargadatta was not ' Enlightened ' as he had an addiction or a habit of using Tobacco/Snuff ?
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Old 14-09-2018, 12:37 PM
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Quote ajay00. ' Addiction or mechanical habit indicates vasanas or egocentric impressions which indicates unconsciousness or unenlightenment.'



So you personally think Nisargadatta was not ' Enlightened ' as he had an addiction or a habit of using Tobacco/Snuff ?


He smoked but was not an addict, which is a label put forward by you. I have given ample reasons for the same before as well.

I have reported you as well for persisting with this unfounded vilification campaign over here against a wellknown Hindu enlightened master which is against the forum rules if you care to check.
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Old 14-09-2018, 12:47 PM
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And like I said, we worship idols.

There is no blind attachment to masters to prevent an objective assessment.



Is the Christianity forum or Islam forum ready to have open discussion about Christ and Muhammad and their so-called faults.

I have never went to these forums to discuss their faults.

I don't know why there should be an exception for the Hinduism forum.

Anyway I have reported you for breaking forum rules.


Are you okay?

You don't seem to be behaving rationally ..

You seem to have flown off the handle without actually digesting what has been said .

This is why I have said you are blinded and deafened by your faith, so much so your not actually acknowledging what has been said ..

There are no rules being broken and no disrespect has passed my lips .

You need to take stock of the situation clearly without prejudice ..


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Old 14-09-2018, 12:53 PM
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He smoked but was not an addict, which is a label put forward by you. I have given ample reasons for the same before as well.

I have reported you as well for persisting with this unfounded vilification campaign over here against a wellknown Hindu enlightened master which is against the forum rules if you care to check.



You have reported me also, that is fine, no problem.
I am trying so hard to understand what Hinduism defines as ' Enlightenment ' You say that someone who has a ' Habit ' is unenlightened, in a previous post you said Nisargadatta used Tobacco for pleasure and when I asked you are ' Pleasures ' not attachments you refuse to answer so I am a little confused.

You started another Thread ' Krishna on attachments ' stated by Krishna......
' not be influenced by external stimuli '

Is tobacco and Snuff not an external stimuli ? Pleasures are also external stimuli so I am confused
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Old 14-09-2018, 12:53 PM
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Are you okay?

You don't seem to be behaving rationally ..

You seem to have flown off the handle without actually digesting what has been said .

This is why I have said you are blinded and deafened by your faith, so much so your not actually acknowledging what has been said ..

There are no rules being broken and no disrespect has passed my lips .

You need to take stock of the situation clearly without prejudice ..


x daz x


The forum rules clearly state that disparagement of public figures will not be allowed.

You should check the forum rules from time to time,dude.
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Old 14-09-2018, 01:40 PM
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The forum rules clearly state that disparagement of public figures will not be allowed.

You should check the forum rules from time to time,dude.

Tell me how I have been disrespectful to niz by commenting on what attachments mean / relate / refer too?

You need to point out what you think I have said that disrespects him and your religion .

I could say many things about many peeps and differ in my opinion to theirs, that's just how it goes, your opinion obviously differs from mine and you can say I am or not attached based upon what I say .

By your own reckoning / standards you are going against the forum rules by your opinion of me, being a public figure or not matters not .

The fact that you put others on pedestals is your look out but by doing this anyone that has an opinion that differs from them will be breaking forum rules and should be escorted out of the conversation .

It's ridiculous ..


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Old 14-09-2018, 02:13 PM
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Found this today ...thought this group might like it:

Enlightenment means literally aligning to the Energy of my Source.
And genius is only about focusing.
Law of Attraction takes care of everything else.
Physical humans often want to make enlightenment about finding some process and
moving through the process that has been pre-described.
But true enlightenment is moving to the rhythm of the internal inspiration that is coming
in response to the individual desire.

Enlightenment is about allowing my connection to the Source that is me for the fulfillment of the things
that I have individually defined here in my time/space reality.

That’s as good as it gets!


-Abraham-Hicks

Attunement and at-one-ment with the Source is indeed the key.

"Know Yourself".
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Old 14-09-2018, 02:45 PM
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Tell me how I have been disrespectful to niz by commenting on what attachments mean / relate / refer too?

Obviously 'addiction' has a negative connotation , and implying that Nisarg was an addict, inspite of evidence to the contrary, is a clear case of prejudice and vilification.



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By your own reckoning / standards you are going against the forum rules by your opinion of me, being a public figure or not matters not

You obviously are not a public figure, so my opinion's regarding your unnecessary judgement of Nisargadatta, does not matter much.
Nice try, though.

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The fact that you put others on pedestals is your look out but by doing this anyone that has an opinion that differs from them will be breaking forum rules and should be escorted out of the conversation .

x daz x


This is why I keep stating that you have no idea what you keep talking about here.

Nisargadatta is a world-famous enlightened master, and many like Ramesh Baleskar, Sailor Bob Adamson, Gilbert Schultz, Jed Mckenna have expressed their tributes to him.

He is someone on a pedestal, whether you like it or not, and some tom, peter or harry who may have a different opiniion cannot come barging into the hinduism forum stating that Niz is an addict.

It will be similar to Jesus being condemned as a false prophet in the christianity forum or Mohammed being described as the anti-christ in the islam forum.

You must know when to draw a line, especially in today's context.

We don't live in enlightened times, and there is an ongoing global war against terrorism that is going on and which will be there for a long time.

It is important thereby to stop deriding of religious figures for ulterior purposes.

You can comment on the nature of pleasure addiction and stuff of that sort, but bringing religious figures into this without any concrete evidence will obviously get you in trouble.
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Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1

If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the (turbulent) mind. ~ Rajini Menon
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Old 14-09-2018, 03:48 PM
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Peeps can't have an open and honest discussion if their not open and honest .

I find I can have plenty of good chats on the forum when there are these qualities in place .

Do you see Mr Muffin slamming the door in peeps faces holding on to some grand notion of how non attached his idol is?

All peeps need to do is stick to the facts of what has been said and not get defensive, not blow things out of all proportion .

If you can't have an open and honest chat about attachments on a spiritual forum without being accused of all sorts then peeps need to look at why that is so .


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Namaste.

I guess that I am looking for a purely logical, intellectual discussion without any emotional investment...problem is that I appear to be emotionally invested in having
that real 'deep and meaningful' chat about Hinduism on here.

It is very difficult to tell whether another is 'enlightened' irrespective of attachments, vices and whatever else...and in the end, the opinions of another do not matter to a Self realised soul..

To one who is enlightened, that person would react with the same detached equanimity in the face of praise and blame...adoration or scorn...then they become a figurehead to the schools of conflicting disciplines.

There is another passage in the Bhagavad Gita:


4. A person is said to have attained yogic perfection
When there is no desire for sensual pleasures,
Or attachment to the fruits of work,
And has renounced all personal selfish motives.

5. One must elevate, not degrade, oneself
By one's own mind.
The mind alone is one's friend
As well as one's enemy.

6. The mind is the friend
Of those who have control over it,
And the mind acts like an enemy
For those who do not control it.

7. One who has control over the mind
Is tranquil in heat and cold,
In pleasure and pain, and in honor and dishonor;
And is ever steadfast with the Supreme Self.

8. A yogi is called Self-realized
Who is satisfied with knowledge
And understanding of the Self,
Who is equanimous, who has control over the senses,
And to whom a clod, a stone, and gold are the same.

9. A person is considered superior
Who is impartial towards companions,
Friends, enemies, Neutrals, arbiters,
Haters, relatives, saints, and sinners.

10. Let the yogi seated in solitude and alone
Having mind and senses under control
And free from desires and attachments for possessions,
Try constantly to contemplate on the Supreme Self.

- Bhagavad Gita Chapter 6: 4-10

So, it all boils down to one simple thing...if Nis saw his smoking as being 'impure' or 'unholy' but continued to smoke knowing it was holding him back...different story to others who say the same thing if he, himself was perfectly fine with it...then, he is 'not enlightened' according to others when he may be full of the Universal Consciousness himself but others were unable to see it because 'smoke got in their eyes'...he wouldn't have cared what others thought about him or his smoking habit anyway.

Aum Namah Shivaya
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Old 14-09-2018, 04:39 PM
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Here is a little personal anecdote to round it all off.

Yes, I am a Shaivite who has also studied the Bhagavad Gita. I was a member of ISKCON for a while there...tried thinking about Krishna...but all I could think about was Lord Shiva.

One day, I confessed my hidden love for a 'demigod' to a fellow ashramite and I was hit with it:

"...but Lord Krishna is so beautiful...he is pure...all the Gopis love him...he was cute as a little baby...he plays the flute which enchants all the cows" and all I could say was "puh-leez!"

She went on:

"Lord Shiva is very ugly...he smears ashes all over his body...he meditates in graveyards...ghosts and ghouls are his personal army...he smokes weed...etc...etc..." and all I could say was "...and that is why I love him".

The girl continued to protest long and loud, but all I could see was Lord Shiva assuming form and testing my love for his amusement...but that did not matter anyway because I did not require 'testing'.

I love Shiva not only for who he is, but also what he is...and I guess the Gaudiyas felt the same about Lord Krishna, but I did not.

Aum Namah Shivaya
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