Spiritual Forums

Home


Donate!


Articles


CHAT!


Shop


 
Welcome to Spiritual Forums!.

We created this community for people from all backgrounds to discuss Spiritual, Paranormal, Metaphysical, Philosophical, Supernatural, and Esoteric subjects. From Astral Projection to Zen, all topics are welcome. We hope you enjoy your visits.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest, which gives you limited access to most discussions and articles. By joining our free community you will be able to post messages, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos, and gain access to our Chat Rooms, Registration is fast, simple, and free, so please, join our community today! !

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, check our FAQs before contacting support. Please read our forum rules, since they are enforced by our volunteer staff. This will help you avoid any infractions and issues.

Go Back   Spiritual Forums > Spirituality & Beliefs > Astral Projection > Near Death Experiences (NDEs)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 26-01-2013, 03:59 AM
4everaspirit
Posts: n/a
 
This was the funniest thread I have read on here LOOOOOOOOL
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 26-01-2013, 11:56 AM
H:O:R:A:C:E H:O:R:A:C:E is offline
Master
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,806
  H:O:R:A:C:E's Avatar
Quote:
Here are these holy beings floating around in absolute bliss telling us to do their bidding?

I tend to think that they are doing OUR bidding... reminding us of things we've forgotten. They are looking out for us, helping us to fulfill the choices we've already made.
In my estimation, life is eternal; there is no "afterlife", death is illusory.
Death, "true" death, is nothingness -- "nothingness" cannot be experienced.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 26-01-2013, 09:40 PM
psychoslice psychoslice is offline
Master
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Australia
Posts: 11,462
  psychoslice's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E
I tend to think that they are doing OUR bidding... reminding us of things we've forgotten. They are looking out for us, helping us to fulfill the choices we've already made.
In my estimation, life is eternal; there is no "afterlife", death is illusory.
Death, "true" death, is nothingness -- "nothingness" cannot be experienced.
Yea Yea, well said.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 26-01-2013, 10:11 PM
H:O:R:A:C:E H:O:R:A:C:E is offline
Master
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,806
  H:O:R:A:C:E's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by psychoslice
Yea Yea, well said.

thanks psychoslice, i was thinking that we were at very different vantage points.
There are people who advocate achieving "nothingness", through meditation. I don't oppose the concept, it's just not "accurate" --
the pure essence that they achieve is indeed not "nothing".
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 26-01-2013, 10:20 PM
Quagmire
Posts: n/a
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E
the pure essence that they achieve is indeed not "nothing".

Because you say so?
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 26-01-2013, 11:25 PM
psychoslice psychoslice is offline
Master
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Australia
Posts: 11,462
  psychoslice's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E
thanks psychoslice, i was thinking that we were at very different vantage points.
There are people who advocate achieving "nothingness", through meditation. I don't oppose the concept, it's just not "accurate" --
the pure essence that they achieve is indeed not "nothing".
I see this so called nothingness, as eveything, the nothingness that is everything is where all arises from.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 27-01-2013, 01:23 AM
wstein wstein is offline
Master
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Austin TX USA
Posts: 2,460
  wstein's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tera's_Party
I am just thinking if it were me and my guides/higher self/the divine/God told me I had to leave paradise and return to my body. I would tell them to go F*** off. If this spiritual assignment is so important to you, "Why don't you go and do it yourself!?" I quit!
It's a nice theory. I in fact know someone who did tell them off. Still, outnumbered by more powerful beings, he went back none the less. He has since had more NDEs, same result. Now he rails about being unable to die. So go ahead, vent all you want, that is not going to change anything.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 27-01-2013, 03:07 AM
Tobi Tobi is offline
Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,513
  Tobi's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by wstein
It's a nice theory. I in fact know someone who did tell them off. Still, outnumbered by more powerful beings, he went back none the less. He has since had more NDEs, same result. Now he rails about being unable to die. So go ahead, vent all you want, that is not going to change anything.

So what was keeping him physically alive? It wasn't powerful Beings telling him this or that, it was his own Soul and Spirit needing to have a physical experience for some reason.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 28-01-2013, 08:03 AM
H:O:R:A:C:E H:O:R:A:C:E is offline
Master
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,806
  H:O:R:A:C:E's Avatar
Quote:
Because you say so?

No, not at all. The "experiencer" is still there. That's not "nothing".
Apparently, people who've had profound "out of body" experiences, or somesuch,
relate that they feel "greater connectedness", or "pure communication",
without the roadblocks or obstructions that I/we commonly encounter in "everyday life".
I suggest that this is not nothingness.

I'm kinda approaching the idea from a "mathematical" standpoint. Physics tells us
that "matter cannot be destroyed" -- it can be transformed into another state.
It seems to me that the essence of a being (such as myself), cannot simply dissolve into "nothingness".
I tend to agree with psychoslice, that the nothingness is more
likely everythingness... absence of nothing.
Does that make sense?
Yet, I feel that the Physical Realm of reality is "true", and not simply an illusion.

Last edited by arive nan : 13-07-2013 at 06:43 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 28-01-2013, 12:07 PM
Quagmire
Posts: n/a
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E
I'm kinda approaching the idea from a "mathematical" standpoint. Physics tells us
that "matter cannot be destroyed" -- it can be transformed into another state.
It seems to me that the essence of a being (such as myself), cannot simply dissolve into "nothingness".
I tend to agree with psychoslice, that the nothingness is more
likely everythingness... absence of nothing.
Does that make sense?
Yet, I feel that the Physical Realm of reality is "true", and not simply an illusion.

Yes that make sense but only if we approach it from a dualistic view point I think. In oneness there simply is no separation in the way I experience it so nothingness and everythingness is the same. My mythology of Nothing describes that everything is nothing with the possibility of being anything and that makes it everything. At least that is the statement for now. It is not an absolute Mythology and if it has to change then it will change, yet it will not change just for the sake of changing.

The thing is that even if the physical realm of reality is an illusion it is hard to argue that the illusion is not real. We sense it each and every day so of course it is real and the question simply might be how it is real. Or maybe we call it an illusion simply because it is not an absolute world; meaning it is quite adaptable to the individual. I have a theory that all of us live in individual worlds blending together creating a shared world and the world simply is fluid and will change with the change of those sharing it. And one could also argue that even the oneness is an illusion just more delightful for some - simply an escape from the world of the mind. Or that oneness is simply the existence of one's world in complete balance and that the illusion is that one feels out of balance. There is many adventures for one to journey out on. Wondrous worlds to explore and amazing treasures to be found
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
(c) Spiritual Forums