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Old 02-04-2019, 02:43 PM
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Soldiers die fearlessly is not true at all.
Soldiers are BRAIN WASHED before sent to kill others in name of whatever. - either that or they are forced.
They fear just as same as others.

Monks die fearlessly because they have absolutely zero attachments to this physical world. Most monks are not really living and are not experiencing their physical reincarnations. They just exist until they die.
Unlike nuns and missionaries in other religions, most monks do not even contribute anything to humanity. It is all about them trying to go back to the spiritual land where we all came from and where we all go back to anyway.
Waste of physical incarnation is what monk life is.
I say here, most monks but not all monks.
Some monks are spiritual leaders and try to bring enlightenment to humanity. - Like Dalai

This is very true.. considering most monks aren't public figures and just live out their lives in monasteries. Their spirituality and goal in life is focussed on themselves, not on helping society, although it could be said that by living simply they at least contribute very little to an unsustainable society. Also true that some monks are leaders and do contribute to some cause...


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i. Those who are comparatively sinless, have practiced Yoga/ meditation, have the real knowledge about God ,and contact with Nature and Soul, have nothing to fear. They have the privilege to leave this world as per their will.

ii. Knowledge of God , Nature, and Soul establishes our link with them and they protect and prevent us from doing sinful activities. A common person has no knowledge and link with God, therefore he creates mixed Karma. So he suffers and dies in hospital or home after a battle.

iii. The third category of person have their own view about God, have no contact with Him whatsoever, no idea about Karma and Nature's Laws, do not practice prayer/ Yoga, Indulge in sense gratification, violence ( human and animal sacrifice ) meet horrible death.

What is it with you and categories.. OPVerma..?
In practice, you'll find plenty people falling somewhere in between. It's not as if everyone in group I and II have transcended their sensual pleasures, nor is it true that everyone in category III would have no knowledge or never do meditation. Three categories? Probably more like 3x ..... (add any large number).
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:32 PM
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About the the third category of person you mention, I feel it's a bit narrow the way you worded it. Not everyone like that approves of violence and animal/human sacrifice. Also, how can anyone be 'sinless' at all? Not that I believe in the concept of sin like fundamentalists do, but no one is perfect as a fact..
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Old 04-04-2019, 06:08 PM
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This is very true.. considering most monks aren't public figures and just live out their lives in monasteries. Their spirituality and goal in life is focussed on themselves, not on helping society, although it could be said that by living simply they at least contribute very little to an unsustainable society. Also true that some monks are leaders and do contribute to some cause...




What is it with you and categories.. OPVerma..?
In practice, you'll find plenty people falling somewhere in between. It's not as if everyone in group I and II have transcended their sensual pleasures, nor is it true that everyone in category III would have no knowledge or never do meditation. Three categories? Probably more like 3x ..... (add any large number).

It is a broad grouping to give an idea. Like everyone who lives in America is not rich and similarly all those who live in India are not poor. Like Mobile number, we all have mutually exclusive mixed good as well as bad Karma. We have to increase the % of good Karma so as to get favorable situations in our lives. Then we do 'Niskam Karma' (Selfless work ) to finally get ourselves free from the bondage of good Karma. And attain immortality.

Details in '21st Century Bhagavad -Gita'
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Old 12-04-2019, 04:01 AM
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Now, I'm asking...

If material reality is an illusion, as the spiritual disciplines and science agrees upon, then shouldn't reincarnation be seen in a concurrent sense, and not a linear sense, in (illusory) time and space?

More in the sense of "emanation" of the true personage, involving the eternal and the timeless?
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Old 12-04-2019, 04:08 AM
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About the the third category of person you mention, I feel it's a bit narrow the way you worded it. Not everyone like that approves of violence and animal/human sacrifice. Also, how can anyone be 'sinless' at all? Not that I believe in the concept of sin like fundamentalists do, but no one is perfect as a fact..

Well, regarding "the sin of the world", you are seeing it like "fundamentalists", whether you admit it or not.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:57 AM
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Well, regarding "the sin of the world", you are seeing it like "fundamentalists", whether you admit it or not.

Not really. Merely seeing imperfection in humanity has nothing to do with seeing it like fundamentalists because as I said, I don't believe in sin. Huge contradiction. Even atheists would agree that no one is perfect.
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:16 PM
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Part of my experience in this life was to be aware at quite a young age of an age and way in which I would die.

For some reason it was in my psyche in order for me to face and go into and clear up karma from times when I willingly choose death either by suicide or just by my soul giving up too early.
For some reason it was brought to my attention when I was young - almost as a test - to see if I would choose in this life, a different outcome - one where I consciously choose willingness to live.
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Old 13-04-2019, 11:09 PM
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Now, I'm asking...

If material reality is an illusion, as the spiritual disciplines and science agrees upon, then shouldn't reincarnation be seen in a concurrent sense, and not a linear sense, in (illusory) time and space?

More in the sense of "emanation" of the true personage, involving the eternal and the timeless?

So, with respect to reincarnation, doesn't this make more sense?
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