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01-08-2016, 08:30 PM
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Still, Here is the Question, Then...
As in my profile quote, Einstein declares that more than matter, which is a "result", of the Field... that, " the field is the only reality ".
Nothing to dispute there. True?
So, cannot the Field be equated with "Mind", in Physicist Max Planck's declaration?
Who stated, " Mind is the matrix of all matter. "
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Then also, might not either be equated with Spirit? Seems to me this is the case.
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"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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02-08-2016, 04:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpheus
Then also, might not either be equated with Spirit? Seems to me this is the case.
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If you want it to.
The trouble with taking a quote in isolation is that it can be taken out of context and its intended meaning misunderstood.
Better to read all work on quantum mechanics, relativity and later developments in physics to help one form an opinion I find.
Having said that, 'spirit' MAY be the 'essence' of all things as pantheism seems to point at. I hope that one day (preferably in my lifetime though that's very optimistic!) scientists can 'prove' it.
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02-08-2016, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ObServant
If you want it to.
The trouble with taking a quote in isolation is that it can be taken out of context and its intended meaning misunderstood.
Better to read all work on quantum mechanics, relativity and later developments in physics to help one form an opinion I find.
Having said that, 'spirit' MAY be the 'essence' of all things as pantheism seems to point at. I hope that one day (preferably in my lifetime though that's very optimistic!) scientists can 'prove' it.
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Thanks Ob.
They are all intangible. Yes?
The Field, the Mind, and, Spirit. Yet, it is indicated that this is the source, and origin, OF the "tangible".
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"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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07-08-2016, 12:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpheus
As in my profile quote, Einstein declares that more than matter, which is a "result", of the Field... that, " the field is the only reality ".
Nothing to dispute there. True?
So, cannot the Field be equated with "Mind", in Physicist Max Planck's declaration?
Who stated, " Mind is the matrix of all matter. "
???
Then also, might not either be equated with Spirit? Seems to me this is the case.
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Well if that seems to be the case then you can run with it until something else comes along and either expands or contracts your entertainment of such notions. :)
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07-08-2016, 02:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpheus
As in my profile quote, Einstein declares that more than matter, which is a "result", of the Field... that, " the field is the only reality ".
Nothing to dispute there. True?
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Nothing to dispute. A technicality however (probaly lost in the terse edit), reality is made of several fields, there are more than the ones giving rise to matter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpheus
So, cannot the Field be equated with "Mind", in Physicist Max Planck's declaration? Who stated, " Mind is the matrix of all matter. " ???
Then also, might not either be equated with Spirit? Seems to me this is the case.
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Without some evidence of similarity, there is no sound cause to equate two random fields.
As such, what is to say that the field that results in matter is the same field that results in Mind, or Spirit? They might be separate fields or some might be the parents/children of other fields.
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10-08-2016, 01:45 PM
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Field Of Patterns
To understand fields, I believe, that, we need to understand what is going on at ultra-micro scales of spatial existence.
I define reality { spirit-2 } as that, which we observe.
Physical/energy { spirit-2 } = reality i.e. fermions, boson and any aggregate collection thereof.
Spirit-3 = gravity aka mass-attraction is a property of space-time. I speculate, that, gravity is a specific positive curvature trajectory.
Spirit-4 = dark energy, that, i speculate is a 2nd property of space-time, that, is a specific negative curvature trajectory.
Space ( ) - Time ^v - Gravity )(
(^v )( V^)
This above is bisecting cross-section of torus, wherein,
gravity ( ) is the outer positive curvature surface, and its peak of curvature, I speculate, that, gravity spikes -> { inverts/invaginates } inward as the body of the torusex (-->
(-><-)(-><-)
Here above I show that, both dark energy and gravity both spike inward to define the body of the torus.
This body-of-the-torus, pattern is the topology of a sine-wave ^v^v, that, I believe what we observe, and I refer to as observed time.
Observed motion, that, we instrumentally recognize as sine-wave, frequency patterns ^v^v or as \/\/\.
I believe, that, what we see as a sine-wave pattern of particulate events, is actually a resultant of gravity and dark energy spikes -><- inward then immediately reversing back outward.
I certainly do not offer a complete, comprehensive understanding of these phenomena as they dynamically relate to each other.
I came to this very minimal, abstract, static view via my explorations of prime numbers in the 90's as a four level/line pattern, that, had the topology of a sine-wave.
I don't believe in something from nothing, however, the scenario I followed was likened that, because I began with a very a simple abstract/static view.
10 years late,r I turned that initial, abstract/static four line/level sine-wave like pattern inside-out. To me this was like getting something from nothing, altho, to be clear, both are still abstract/static views, or presentations.
Actually my first three views of this patterning are abstract/static views, yet we have distinct differrences in each. In this way, we may say, that, perhaps Universe, comes to a nearly static ergo nearly equilbrious--- near equilibrium ---place, every so often.
At this most near equilibrium place, we have my initial, basic four line/levels, that looks like the following;
\/\/\/\/ i.e. not a flat line, but all trajectories or vectors are nearly same length. Then, at next level of big bang expansion or whatever we want to call it, we begin to get more irregularity, and that is where inside outing takes place;
^v^v^v^v is more irregular set. My actual numerical pattern-- not shown --makes the irregularity more clear. However, we still need to add in geodesic curvature trajectories to this presentation;
( ^v )( V^) or as (-><-)(-><-) is still a statically curved presentation of the four line/level pattern. However, maybe this is what happens with Universe ever so often at these initiating big bang or whatever moment i.e. and unfolding from near equilibrium to far from equilibrium.
(~~)(~~) or something like this that is attempt to present more dynamic curvatures into the mix.
All of this above, is only to consider one specific trajectory pattern. If we mix in more of these patterns in specific sets of integrated patterns, then we get more complex interference patterns, that, I do not have the ability to explore, at this time.
Field patterns, interfering or not interfering.
r6
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14-08-2016, 04:54 PM
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Rope Hypothisis [ Bill gaede }
..."The Rope Hypothisis is closet the aetherist can come to rational, logical common sense approach to any alledged aether."... imho
http://www.youstupidrelativist.com/WGDE.html
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Quote:
Originally Posted by r6r6r
To understand fields, I believe, that, we need to understand what is going on at ultra-micro scales of spatial existence.
Space ( ) - Time ^v - Gravity )(
(^v )( V^)
gravity ( ) is the outer positive curvature surface, and its peak of curvature, I speculate, that, gravity spikes -> { inverts/invaginates } inward as the body of the torusex (-->
(-><-)(-><-)
Observed motion, that, we instrumentally recognize as sine-wave, frequency patterns ^v^v or as \/\/\.
(~~)(~~) or something like this that is attempt to present more dynamic curvatures into the mix.
Field patterns, interfering or not interfering.
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"Dare to be naive"... R. B. Fuller
"My education has been of my biggest impediments to my learning"...A. Einstein
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."...R Feynman
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15-08-2016, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by wstein
Nothing to dispute. A technicality however (probaly lost in the terse edit), reality is made of several fields, there are more than the ones giving rise to matter.
Without some evidence of similarity, there is no sound cause to equate two random fields.
As such, what is to say that the field that results in matter is the same field that results in Mind, or Spirit? They might be separate fields or some might be the parents/children of other fields.
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So, what I actually stated, WS, is that the essence, and the origin of all matter, the material universe, is the," Field", the "Mind", or "Spirit".
All to be equated with each other.
Different labels, same thing.
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"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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15-08-2016, 04:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpheus
So, what I actually stated, WS, is that the essence, and the origin of all matter, the material universe, is the," Field", the "Mind", or "Spirit".
All to be equated with each other.
Different labels, same thing.
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I was clear on what you stated.
I don't agree that they are just different labels of the same thing. To me 'Mind' and 'Spirit' are very different things. 'Field' is more of a category or a form of things. One can make a good case that 'Mind' and 'Spirit' are 'Fields'. There are of course other 'Fields'.
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15-08-2016, 01:42 PM
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What is the mind?? Where is it? Where does it begin & end?? Where are the images in the minds eye? They must be somewhere and yet cut the brain open, they wont be found!
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