Where Do We Go at Death if not heaven or hell?

[Untersberg56]

Where Do We Go at Death if not to heaven or hell?

This question is easily answered if one is Buddhist, Hindu or Sikh: you come back for another ride on the Wheel of Life and Death.

At the Council of Nicea in 325 CE, the Church prohibited the doctrine of reincarnation and so Christians are not allowed to believe.

Nevertheless, the evidence can be pretty persuasive: Simply GOOGLE "10 Mysterious Kids Who Remember Their Past Lives" and discover many, many more children than ten who can remember their past life before the memory begins to fade in childhood.

Perhaps it is time to begin a campaign urging the Papacy to reconsider the 325 CE decision on its merits?

[sky]

Originally Posted by Untersberg56

Where Do We Go at Death if not to heaven or hell?

This question is easily answered if one is Buddhist, Hindu or Sikh: you come back for another ride on the Wheel of Life and Death.

At the Council of Nicea in 325 CE, the Church prohibited the doctrine of reincarnation and so Christians are not allowed to believe.

Nevertheless, the evidence can be pretty persuasive: Simply GOOGLE "10 Mysterious Kids Who Remember Their Past Lives" and discover many, many more children than ten who can remember their past life before the memory begins to fade in childhood.

Perhaps it is time to begin a campaign urging the Papacy to reconsider the 325 CE decision on its merits?

' This question is easily answered if one is Buddhist '

That's incorrect Untersberg, you don't come back if you reach Nirvana which is Buddhist's ultimate Spiritual goal. Reincarnation doesn't exist in Buddhism, it is Rebirth.


Reincarnation was removed from the Bible to control the masses.



Dr Ian Stevenson is an expert on Reincarnation research, he has spent his life time travelling all over the world gathering evidence, his research papers and books are amazing.

[Molearner]

Originally Posted by sky123

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Reincarnation was removed from the Bible to control the masses.

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sky123,

I would have to disagree from a Christian standpoint. Rather than controlling the masses(which I cannot see how that controls) instead it empowers the masses. Reincarnation(which I believe) is only a second choice. For those who do not seek the kingdom of God it allows them to avoid the necessary discipline and work to achieve salvation in this life.

For Christians I would cite the scriptures of "seek ye first the kingdom and all will be added to you".........."Ye must be born again"(meaning in the here and now not in some future reinarnation) and the words of Jesus....."I have come that you might have abundant life". Reincarnation is not an end goal and continual and repeated karma should not be our fate. People are quick to criticize the Church but what should the Church teach? Surely not to teach that life is meant to be repeated over and over again.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Molearner

sky123,

I would have to disagree from a Christian standpoint. Rather than controlling the masses(which I cannot see how that controls) instead it empowers the masses. Reincarnation(which I believe) is only a second choice. For those who do not seek the kingdom of God it allows them to avoid the necessary discipline and work to achieve salvation in this life.

For Christians I would cite the scriptures of "seek ye first the kingdom and all will be added to you".........."Ye must be born again"(meaning in the here and now not in some future reinarnation) and the words of Jesus....."I have come that you might have abundant life". Reincarnation is not an end goal and continual and repeated karma should not be our fate. People are quick to criticize the Church but what should the Church teach? Surely not to teach that life is meant to be repeated over and over again.

' what should the Church teach?'

I think they should teach the truth and the truth is according to Ancient Scriptures that Reincarnation was believed and is still believed by some Christians. Early Christianity taught Reincarnation, believed in Reincarnation and wrote Prayers and Hymns expressing their beliefs.

[Rah nam]

Sky, Rebirth and Reincarnation is not the same?
if you have a few minutes can you define those terms?


In my understanding, reincarnation, the body dies, and spirit disconnects, and will, if it chooses to come into an other life, connect to and other physical form, a body.

Sorry Christians if I create waves in your waters.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Rah nam

Sky, Rebirth and Reincarnation is not the same?
if you have a few minutes can you define those terms?


In my understanding, reincarnation, the body dies, and spirit disconnects, and will, if it chooses to come into an other life, connect to and other physical form, a body.

Sorry Christians if I create waves in your waters.

I'll try

Buddhists don't believe in a soul or anything permanent that is reincarnated.
Rebirth is a belief that a 'Being' is reborn with limited awareness of previous lives but no characteristics of our previous selves except the continuation of our individual behaviour and karmic tendencies. So rebirth is a ' Fresh Start ' or a ' Second chance ' to work through Karmic lessons and achieve Nirvana.

Originally Posted by sky123

I'll try

Buddhists don't believe in a soul or anything permanent that is reincarnated.
Rebirth is a belief that a 'Being' is reborn with limited awareness of previous lives but no characteristics of our previous selves except the continuation of our individual behaviour and karmic tendencies. So rebirth is a ' Fresh Start ' or a ' Second chance ' to work through Karmic lessons and achieve Nirvana.

Hmmm... this seems to me to be a bit self contradictory. If I call that "being" a soul, the second sentence seems to butt heads with the first. Whatever is getting the second chance, that has those individual behaviors and karmic tendencies it needs to work through so it can achieve Nirvana, sounds permanent enough from the standpoint of at least those two lifetimes.

“There must be somebody there, because somebody must have said "Nobody.”
― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh

[sky]

Originally Posted by ketzer

Hmmm... this seems to me to be a bit self contradictory. If I call that "being" a soul, the second sentence seems to butt heads with the first. Whatever is getting the second chance, that has those individual behaviors and karmic tendencies it needs to work through so it can achieve Nirvana, sounds permanent enough from the standpoint of at least those two lifetimes.

Don't call a being a soul

Originally Posted by sky123

Don't call a being a soul

Ahhh! I see Sensei. That must be some of that zen buddhist spiritual kung fu I have heard so much about. It is inspirational to see one walk through walls with so little effort.
I am ashamed of my own corporeal clumsiness as I started a thread on Anatta once, but it has now grown larger than Tolstoy's War and Peace, and I had to unsubscribe from it.

"Your mind is like this water, my friend. When it is agitated, it becomes difficult to see. But if you allow it to settle, the answer becomes clear."
Grand Master Oogway, Kung Fu Panda

Untersberg56
In 325 CE Nicea you say. Interesting, I am assuming you were there.
Rah nam
No ruffling of waters, we are born of Spirit. We do ruffle our own waters at baptism.

Reincarnation matters not to me I was known before the foundation of the world. Also I have already been reborn or born again in this life. Received a new heart and a new mind. Plus I have the mind of Christ.
I fear not death or reincarnation, things of this world matter little.

I'll bite the hook is this a Christian thread zone. I welcome you here but I thought students of Buddha would be more compassionate.

Chopping wood then enlightenment then hang out in a Christian thread zone.