Beyond God?

[Ghost_Rider_1970]

Originally Posted by neil

Ghost_Rider...
How did you come to form your opinion that, everyone & everything is God.

Untold spiritualist would havd us believe your statement...but persons in spiritual form would have me believe that we are not god

I am led to believe that God is god, & you are you, & everyone else in the universe is who they are, and every inanimate thing in the universe is a thing an object.

& that everyone & everything in the universe has the creator's universal energy within & around it.

I am also led to believe that everyone & everything is also formed from the creator's energy of the universe....but every sentient being such as you & I are beings unto our own right with our own aware consciousness & that God/ creator does not share any part of our very own consciousness & that creator has given us free reign with our conscious awareness. ...whilst desiring that we create loving experiences, with our creative minds.

Hi Neil,

Thank you so much for your kind and considerate questions, where I am more than happy to expand on my understanding. So much so, I simply offer this as a suggestion with me having complete appreciation should your own views and beliefs differ in nature to mine.

I would just like to start off by saying that my own truth has evolved to this point following my 'Spiritual Awakening' 4 years ago. Where prior to this I felt happy although somewhat disconnected with religion never truly sitting well with me. Therefore through my journey of self-discovery I came to learn and understand, where faith allowed me to believe and experience. So once I came to realise who I am at the very heart of me this enabled me to become fully connected with everyone and everything.

This also answered all my questions regarding life, death, reincarnation, duality and life purpose - as in all honesty nothing is hidden from us.

Typically there tends to be two distinct viewpoints. Either the Darwin Theory of Evolution (the Automatic View) or the Biblical View of Creation (the Ceramic View). I must admit, neither of these sit particularly well with me. The difficulty I find with the Automatic View is that everything is contrived destiny. Where we have no Free Will and in essence all our decisions and choices are predetermined. Conversely, the difficulty I find with the Ceramic View is that we are forever being judged on our actions. So by being 'God Fearing' ensures we walk the path of righteousness so by appeasing God will allow us into Heaven - or by displeasing God casts us into Hell. I have never understood why we should fear God if He truly loves us as a separate 'Being'. Indeed, I don't actually believe in a separate God or in Heaven or Hell. In my opinion there is only ever the present - which can be either depending on our life circumstances.

It was along my Spiritual Journey I came across a wonderful spiritual philosopher called Alan Watts. He put a third theory forward. That everyone and everything is the whole universe - is God (the Organic View). To explore this further the starting point always has to begin with each of us. As we first have to fully appreciate ourselves from within before we can appreciate anything else. So when we reach out of our bodies with all our senses, we then know what it actually means by being central to who we are. Consequently we only know our physical form through viewing our reflection. Where our perfect creation doesn't stop at our fingertips but extends into the infinity of the Universe that is also us. So rather than us each having a soul within our bodies, our bodies are each a fragment of the Soul of the Universe.

This supports the idea that with us all coming from the very same 'Source' then everyone and everything is consciousness. So we are each like a wave connected by the whole ocean. Where as one wave disappears another wave is created. So when each of us die another person is born, and with us all coming from the same Universal Consciousness they too are us - but simply viewing their 'I' experience from their perspective. In effect, each of us is an aperture of the Universe viewing itself from our individual viewpoint.

When we move beyond the logical reasoning - so we actually feel this at the very core of our 'Being' - this gives real meaning to life and dissolves our illusion that we are completely separate individuals. It also takes away our fear and doubt when it comes to death. As death is a beautiful cycle of life so the Universe can continue experiencing itself through renewed senses. So when I die I will in effect be reborn through someone else, as I already am through the entirety of ongoing Universal Creation. This is what I truly believe by reincarnation. That I as an individual do not reincarnate, but I as the Universe always reincarnate through everything that is created. For me, this is a truly magical realisation with me seeing everyone and everything the very same way. Without any prejudice or distinction. So when I look at the beautiful stars in the night sky, or the blue mountain lake, or the wind blowing through the trees I don't just see them as inanimate objects, I see them as I see myself. That they are also me.

Another way of looking at this is to imagine the most beautiful piece of music you have ever heard and multiply this by infinity. This then becomes the music of life, where each of us is a note that plays during our existence. Those closest to us play so perfectly - and at the same resonance as us. Where those that don't still play so perfectly too. So as one note fades out another begins. The importance in this analogy it to appreciate that the music plays all by itself, and not by a Deity or a Creator. This then gives us Free Will without any predetermined destiny or automation. So allows us to be who we are.

Looking into this further then helps with our understanding of duality and non-duality. Duality is how we experience life. So we know dark because of light, hot because of cold, hardness because of softness. Non-duality is appreciating that these are not separate to each other, but are intrinsically linked. Very similarly to the way there is a north and a south pole on a magnet - yet it is one magnet.

So this brings us to life purpose. Which in all honesty is very simple. That is simply to live, and to enjoy the beauty in everyone and everything around us in pure love and happiness. As the whole Universe is in balance and harmony. To my mind, this is enlightenment - ascension - as to be fully connected in this way literally takes your breath away. Not in a way of superiority, but in a way that is humble. This is therefore achievable by each and everyone of us - without having to do any 'inner work', or have any specialist knowledge. All we need to know is how to play the game of hide and seek of who we are - so we can truly see through spiritual eyes.

So we can discover that everyone and everything is Universal Energy - is God.

[Moonglow]

Hello,

To go "beyond God" would suggest to me to go beyond the concept of "God".

Seems depends on how one may define "God".

If you let go of or have no definition of it, then what is left?

In a way has me thinking; Is one attempting to conform "God" to fit into ones belief or definition? Which is alright if this works for one.

Suppose to discuss God need some sort of reference point. Find it can be referred to by many names.

So, guess it helps when asking whether one can or is beyond something, it helps to be established in what way it is being to the one asking.

Otherwise it is just going by what I or another may feel and/or define it.

To me, we are of God, which is the creating force of life. So, to go beyond this is only in ways I may think it to be or at present experience it. It is always in flux and changes, IMO. I don't know specifically what " God" is. Only feel the presence of life which is God like in and of itself. This is just my view on it at present.

[Holly]

Originally Posted by ask21771

Has anyone ever reported encountering anything they described as being beyond God

If you mean...God as in...anything beyond Source or the Totality...(as I imagine you do) then no :) Honestly, no,not once. I've met beings who THINK they're outside of or beyond God, sure. Plenty who even despise him, human and non human.

But never any that I thought were genuinely beyond God, no.

[hoodat]

The word "God" is too imprecise. It has too many built in biases. depending largely of what you were taught about it in childhood.

[slowsnake]

Maybe the thread heading should of been,

"Beyond Ego"

Regards Billy.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Maybe the thread heading should of been,

"Beyond Ego"

Regards Billy.

Funny thing: discussing Self is not ego. It is being aware, and coming to understanding. Whereas insinuating others are behaving in an egoic manner if they express disbelief in a "God," is a in fact a fabrication and projection of the ego.

The legacy of 2000 years of religious teaching, unfortunately.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Baile

Funny thing: discussing Self is not ego. It is being aware, and coming to understanding. Whereas insinuating others are behaving in an egoic manner if they express disbelief in a "God," is a in fact a fabrication of the ego.

The legacy of 2000 years of religious belief, unfortunately.

That's if you are insinuating that I am insinuating others are behaving in an egic manner if they express a disbelief in God,then we are reading two different threads and answering on a third uñrelated threàd,the ego is God?
The thread header was "Beyond God"
I gave a fair and thoughtful answer to the posed question?

Regards Billy and Moggs.

[hoodat]

One of the problems is that, as a species, our strongest sense is the visual. Because of all the glorious visual attractions around us we find it difficult to focus inwardly.
For the same reason our minds almost insist on forming a picture of God. When we do that it is almost inevitable we picture him as some sort of Superman.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

The thread header was "Beyond God" I gave a fair and thoughtful answer to the posed question?

You gave an very brief and enigmatic answer, so it's no wonder people might misinterpret what you said. Nevertheless, if you're claiming you meant to imply that getting beyond the ego is to get to "God" consciousness, then we're definitely on the same wavelength here. But I'm guessing from your posts that your understanding of God is more along the lines of a separate, supreme being, than merely one's higher Self and consciousness. In that regard my first comment applies. Investigating Self, is investigating and understanding God consciousness.

And even human ego expression isn't anti-God. In a very real way it can be seen and understood as just one particular expression of God understanding. Everything is "God." And everything we do is an expression of "God." In that regard, the answer to the OP's original question is a very clear "not possible." For what can be beyond Everything? Nothing can.

[hoodat]

IMHO our higher self is as close as we can come to God. When we get higher up the chain we encounter concepts we just don't have the tools to deal with. These concepts need to be interpreted by our higher selves before as much as we can cope with are passed down to us. As we develop spiritually we can cope with more and more will be shown to us but we are never given more than we can handle.