Heaven: Easy vs. hard life

[Ab Origine]

Hi Folks..

Busby;

As a young lad I saw, (at one given moment) that the world outside ourselves, which we, in everyday life, look upon as being real, is but an 'outer' skin of true reality.

Very similar here my friend - age about 6 I guess, I had a severe fever - was laying on the sofa being nursed by my Mum, when all of a suden I just rose up and out - hovered above near the ceiling, looked down and saw my self and my mum below - I will never forget the surreal, smoky energy that we gave off forming like a cloud of light - it became apparent immediately I WAS the light, and so was everything else and this was the most natural sensation I have ever had...

many similar thing happened over the years -and looking back I can say for sure that as a child, we seem t use a whole lit more of our MIND - engage far more fully and deeply with "reality" than we do as adults....

As if, growing up, we just get too crowded in the mind with silly concerns - such as - school work , grades - as if they are important to an ETERNAL SOUL - see what I mean..?...We soon adopt MORTAL worries and forget Soul and that greater reality.. Next comes girls / boys marriage - the hormones kick in and PHYSICAL concerns crod the mind continually...And on top of that we have society - must get a job, station, security - again ALL these mortal concerns crowd in consume us, overwhelm us...

That greater spiritual reality is STILL THERE of course - always has been - but now this poor feeble mortal mind is FULL of al lthis inconsequential nonsense - we have lost our Self and been forced to adopt this mortal identity instead.. Upon mortal death though - as it is happening and the body shuts down - all that false egoic self is going to be utterly shed and discarded - Soul left naked bare and fresh - this is a crucial and "dangerous" moment for a Soul that TRULY wishes to progress - if we don't come to this truth of Self BEFORE it is forced upon us, well, the chances are we will get lost in confusion just as I say above....

Sufficient for me however, in their message, to understand that the world's physical state or condition is a product of my own meagre creativity with all its barriers.

Exactly so - HOLD to that truth ALWAYS - and upon release from here in that same instant you will understand that truth FULLY with all its implications !!! MIIND creates EVERYTHING Folks - that's what its ALL about - this is why such things as "faith" and "belief" literally AFFECT the reality we experience directly - the mind directly creates that which you truly believe your Self to BE - this is true karma

What I do know is that everything is ONE, that we are all part of everything else. That we, being part of oneness carry within ourselves the complete knowledge of the whole universe.

Again, hold to that core truth, and upon release it too will be revealed in full, for it IS truth in essence, but not yet fully grasped... What I mean here precisely is that YES everything IS ONE - EVENTUALLY - lol - but for now - at this level of Creation, we remain separate unique and discreet - and indeed there are many MANY planes of spiritual existence that we must cross, merge and assimilate BEFORE we come any where near our spiritual Source, my Father..

Even this low realm we inhabit now, has SEVEN distinct layers, modes, planes of existance - and this is just one strata among many others - a nested reality with realms of existance WITHIN other realms of existace....Seems confusing HERE to the mortal mind, but as I say, upon release it all slots into place again - we REMEMEBR it as we are FROM there Originally.. we cant be expecting to leave here and all at once "become the source of all" - no my friend - it is an ENERGETIC arrangement and at present the energy that we are is simply incompatable with the energy of the Source - in a very real sense we must first be "purified" and "raised up" - and again the religious confusion around this truth will be lifted for us upon death and we will (all) understand it properly..

Christ told us directly in the original disciple gospels that actually the higher realms of the TRUE DIVINE, are totally inaccessible to MORTAL man - first He said we must conquer these low realms - become master first, of the Self with its broken Mind - mend that and reclaim our spiritual authority, full faculty (just as the child had) to start this journey Home - next assimilate the ENTIRE mortal paradigm - mind body Soul - become ONE under the control of ONE MIND (at present it is a broken mind) - the physical here PLUS the parts we term "astral" with all its religious new age confusion - very real phenomena - poorly understood...But crucially, we MUST get a basic grip on all that foundation of Self FIRST before the real journey Home can even begin...

These forms are the opportunity we have to experience, yes, experience, that's all, indeed it seems very little in the vastness of the universe, but it's actually everything.

Ah my friend - hold also to THIS TRUTH BEYOND ALL OTHERS - for it is CRUCIAL - you have just discovered the very reason WHY creation happens..lol..

EXPERIENCE - MIND CREATES EVERYTHING - it builds solid seeming, tangeable reality that it can DIRECTLY EXPERIENCE - and THROUGH this process it gains absolute certain KNOWLEDGE of who and what it ACTUALLY IS - this LIVING WISDOM gained through DIRECT EXPERIENCE, is the essence of GNOSIS - and it is this drive for full Self understanding that literally CAUSED creation to unfold - my Father the great Invisible Spirit - AND Christ who we call the Son - are GNOSTICS

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by Busby

Ab Origine,

There's not much of what you have written with which I wouldn't agree. As a young lad I saw, (at one given moment) that the world outside ourselves, which we, in everyday life, look upon as being real, is but an 'outer' skin of true reality. Occassionally, over the years, this 'skin' has split a little for me and allowed me to see that which lies just out of sight - but unfortunately only a few quick glimpses. Sufficient for me however, in their message, to understand that the world's physical state or condition is a product of my own meagre creativity with all its barriers.

We are, as Jung suggested, all part of a collective consciousness. So to speak.

What I do know is that everything is ONE, that we are all part of everything else. That we, being part of oneness carry within ourselves the complete knowledge of the whole universe. I also know, having seen, that this outer world, the world of form, of shaped energy, is actually built on quite a very simple basis. One which we know but can't see for the trees.

But you see, this existence, and all the other 'nows' which we shall experience, they have to be. And they'll all go by, all in different forms, eternally. These forms are the opportunity we have to experience, yes, experience, that's all, indeed it seems very little in the vastness of the universe, but it's actually everything. Each of those Autumn leaves which are now falling has the same important part to play in this universe as you and I do. We are simply making a different experience.

I don't understand what you are talking about? So may I ask, do you really understand what is "oneness" means? Your experience is only , maybe that your "your consciousness" escape from your body and die outside of your body. And it's not what your understanding as oneness. There's no connection to awareness of outside as oneness. That's a wrong or confusion or misunderstanding of soul.

Why I say your experience is your immature consciousness or soul rambling outside of your body and perish there. First you don't see it slow going out from your body and it doesn't entering your body again. That's not your true soul, it's only your consciousness escape from your body.

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by Ab Origine

Hi Folks..

Busby;

Very similar here my friend - age about 6 I guess, I had a severe fever - was laying on the sofa being nursed by my Mum, when all of a suden I just rose up and out - hovered above near the ceiling, looked down and saw my self and my mum below - I will never forget the surreal, smoky energy that we gave off forming like a cloud of light - it became apparent immediately I WAS the light, and so was everything else and this was the most natural sensation I have ever had...

many similar thing happened over the years -and looking back I can say for sure that as a child, we seem t use a whole lit more of our MIND - engage far more fully and deeply with "reality" than we do as adults....

As if, growing up, we just get too crowded in the mind with silly concerns - such as - school work , grades - as if they are important to an ETERNAL SOUL - see what I mean..?...We soon adopt MORTAL worries and forget Soul and that greater reality.. Next comes girls / boys marriage - the hormones kick in and PHYSICAL concerns crod the mind continually...And on top of that we have society - must get a job, station, security - again ALL these mortal concerns crowd in consume us, overwhelm us...

That greater spiritual reality is STILL THERE of course - always has been - but now this poor feeble mortal mind is FULL of al lthis inconsequential nonsense - we have lost our Self and been forced to adopt this mortal identity instead.. Upon mortal death though - as it is happening and the body shuts down - all that false egoic self is going to be utterly shed and discarded - Soul left naked bare and fresh - this is a crucial and "dangerous" moment for a Soul that TRULY wishes to progress - if we don't come to this truth of Self BEFORE it is forced upon us, well, the chances are we will get lost in confusion just as I say above....



Exactly so - HOLD to that truth ALWAYS - and upon release from here in that same instant you will understand that truth FULLY with all its implications !!! MIIND creates EVERYTHING Folks - that's what its ALL about - this is why such things as "faith" and "belief" literally AFFECT the reality we experience directly - the mind directly creates that which you truly believe your Self to BE - this is true karma



Again, hold to that core truth, and upon release it too will be revealed in full, for it IS truth in essence, but not yet fully grasped... What I mean here precisely is that YES everything IS ONE - EVENTUALLY - lol - but for now - at this level of Creation, we remain separate unique and discreet - and indeed there are many MANY planes of spiritual existence that we must cross, merge and assimilate BEFORE we come any where near our spiritual Source, my Father..

Even this low realm we inhabit now, has SEVEN distinct layers, modes, planes of existance - and this is just one strata among many others - a nested reality with realms of existance WITHIN other realms of existace....Seems confusing HERE to the mortal mind, but as I say, upon release it all slots into place again - we REMEMEBR it as we are FROM there Originally.. we cant be expecting to leave here and all at once "become the source of all" - no my friend - it is an ENERGETIC arrangement and at present the energy that we are is simply incompatable with the energy of the Source - in a very real sense we must first be "purified" and "raised up" - and again the religious confusion around this truth will be lifted for us upon death and we will (all) understand it properly..

Christ told us directly in the original disciple gospels that actually the higher realms of the TRUE DIVINE, are totally inaccessible to MORTAL man - first He said we must conquer these low realms - become master first, of the Self with its broken Mind - mend that and reclaim our spiritual authority, full faculty (just as the child had) to start this journey Home - next assimilate the ENTIRE mortal paradigm - mind body Soul - become ONE under the control of ONE MIND (at present it is a broken mind) - the physical here PLUS the parts we term "astral" with all its religious new age confusion - very real phenomena - poorly understood...But crucially, we MUST get a basic grip on all that foundation of Self FIRST before the real journey Home can even begin...



Ah my friend - hold also to THIS TRUTH BEYOND ALL OTHERS - for it is CRUCIAL - you have just discovered the very reason WHY creation happens..lol..

EXPERIENCE - MIND CREATES EVERYTHING - it builds solid seeming, tangeable reality that it can DIRECTLY EXPERIENCE - and THROUGH this process it gains absolute certain KNOWLEDGE of who and what it ACTUALLY IS - this LIVING WISDOM gained through DIRECT EXPERIENCE, is the essence of GNOSIS - and it is this drive for full Self understanding that literally CAUSED creation to unfold - my Father the great Invisible Spirit - AND Christ who we call the Son - are GNOSTICS

You also ,you have explained or understanding that wrongly and the outside body as oneness. There's no such thing as oneness? Just think this way, if outside world is oneness then you'll never have see any God or Jesus as an individual outside of you or Paradise that you said or holy spirit. They're all individuals. Singlely existing.

You describe, your soul or consciousness as light? Hahaha , that's totally a making up story. Spirit can never exist as or in light. They're fleshed beings. So your false explanation is just making up story. So how can our ancestor Gods be incarnation or reincarnation to become us? That means after we're born , our faces will be all the same because we're oneness, the light. What's the joke, greatly misleading to the viewers here.

What's 7 layer, mode, planes of existence......? You even don't know what's ghost? Then you jump into conclusion of 7 layers of...... You even don't know what's layers here. In this world there's only one layer. As long you can't see into the spiritual realm then you're telling the world that they're layers? Do you have a third eye to see outside of your body? And you never experienced such thing as outside your body then how can you explain to us that the outside world is in layers.

All of your stories are guessings or assumptions? Nothing you said is true, just trying to lead others astray. If you explain the world this way then in this world there'll be no God and ghost or demon or spirit and so on.

Do you understand what is ENERGETIC ARRANGEMENT? That's astral playground inside your body, and nothing is outside your body. You just simply making up of fiction story. If you're understand of spiritual realm as you have said, then nothing is impossible. But God is not so advanced as light and as energy, otherwise human can never escape the attack from devils or human will soon be all killed by demons. That's why you know nothing about spiritual realm or their story.

Originally Posted by Jeremy Bong

Usually, so far they live with their species of family if they're back to their ancestors' family members.There will be totally different, they can be his elder generations only. Former human friends are hard to meet again. They're totally new life and new family members only. Friends may not going back to their own families and left on earth.

If you're going to Christianity heaven and again your friends on earth next time may not be able to get there. And the friends there are new. The life or life objective there are different from what you're on earth. And the only one who are chosen can be back to Christianity heaven. So no one can be sure who to meet or reunion of anyone you know or tie in your life. But I have seen couples there.

How did you see couples in heaven?
(Matthew 22:30)'At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven' If there is to be no marriage after the resurrection why would there be couples in heaven?

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by Tedmil

How did you see couples in heaven?
(Matthew 22:30)'At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven' If there is to be no marriage after the resurrection why would there be couples in heaven?

I think Bible is only written as Angels family truth. But they're so many other Gods' families in the universe. So my saying is about others' family members. Once, I killed an old Goddess because they're fighting against me badly. After his husband surrendered to me, I asked where's his wife, he said, she's killed by me . So I revived her for him. Later on I find that she's my Goddess wife's ten generation ancestors.

It's not wrong to believe what's written in the Bible but sometimes it's only the Angels family truth or Christianity belief only.

[Ab Origine]

Hi Folks...

Jeremy; You literally make it up as you go along DONT YOU !! Im not sitting idle for that nonsense any more - not after the things you post at me..lol...unbelievable..

Interesting observation for you and everyone else here - EVERY time I MYSELF say something that contradicts the bible, you jump on it and say the bible is the only truth - DONT YOU - and you tell me I have NO AUTHORITY to say ANYTHING that contradicts that book and your god Yhvhv - yet here you are yourself, A MERE MORTAL same as me - contradicting the bible, and literally MAKING IT UP AS YOU GO ALONG !! Your are two faced, hypocrit charlatan - we all know it - just that Im the only one with the bottle to tell you openly...You've always been a joke poster -amusement value nothing more - but lately you are just making a MOCKERY of everyone else here and its way past time for you to grow up and face some REAL truth !!

You have never had any kind of spiritual experience in your entire life - everything you say comes from delusion and a childish game of TRYING to make yourself look clever that really just makes yourself look stupid - clues in the name Folks - Bong - I think that must be the opium bong judging from the never ending fantasy trip you are on , isn't it Jeremy..??...

You should mention your "team" when you killed that goddess above lol - you always take back up don't you right..??..Every story the same..lol.. your so awesome you don't even struggle do you - almighty and fearless lol - who was it this time - the Power Rangers with Godzilla for fire support..?......The Powerpuff girls swing by and lend a hand did they..?... or was it those anime characters from Final fantasy..??.....lol lol lol amusement value indeed - keep on and they'll give you your own cartoon show too lol... At the very least you should write a book mate - memoirs - The Adventures of SuperBongo subtitled Spiritual hero of La La Land - it would be awesome mate - and youd finaly have the fame you crave

btw - is it true you have the Avengers on speed dial - just curious..??..

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by Ab Origine

Hi Folks...

Jeremy; You literally make it up as you go along DONT YOU !! Im not sitting idle for that nonsense any more - not after the things you post at me..lol...unbelievable..

Interesting observation for you and everyone else here - EVERY time I MYSELF say something that contradicts the bible, you jump on it and say the bible is the only truth - DONT YOU - and you tell me I have NO AUTHORITY to say ANYTHING that contradicts that book and your god Yhvhv - yet here you are yourself, A MERE MORTAL same as me - contradicting the bible, and literally MAKING IT UP AS YOU GO ALONG !! Your are two faced, hypocrit charlatan - we all know it - just that Im the only one with the bottle to tell you openly...You've always been a joke poster -amusement value nothing more - but lately you are just making a MOCKERY of everyone else here and its way past time for you to grow up and face some REAL truth !!

You have never had any kind of spiritual experience in your entire life - everything you say comes from delusion and a childish game of TRYING to make yourself look clever that really just makes yourself look stupid - clues in the name Folks - Bong - I think that must be the opium bong judging from the never ending fantasy trip you are on , isn't it Jeremy..??...

You should mention your "team" when you killed that goddess above lol - you always take back up don't you right..??..Every story the same..lol.. your so awesome you don't even struggle do you - almighty and fearless lol - who was it this time - the Power Rangers with Godzilla for fire support..?......The Powerpuff girls swing by and lend a hand did they..?... or was it those anime characters from Final fantasy..??.....lol lol lol amusement value indeed - keep on and they'll give you your own cartoon show too lol... At the very least you should write a book mate - memoirs - The Adventures of SuperBongo subtitled Spiritual hero of La La Land - it would be awesome mate - and youd finaly have the fame you crave

btw - is it true you have the Avengers on speed dial - just curious..??..

Ab Orgine,

My level and yours are poles different or sky and mud gap different. So what can I say ? That's why I asked you so many questions just to see how much you've understood about the spiritual realm and the Christianity religion. It seem to me that your understanding about this Christianity religion is only facial....

That's why your post is misleading people and to promote your anti-christ and anti-christianity notion. That's not good to see you doing so in the Christianity sub-forum. Don't you know what you're doing ? Are you not influenced by demon? And you never know a bit of it.

You said, I'm just talking fantasy or imagination or fallacy. I can let you to see my Cupidson. Or just listened to his voice by telepathy communication with you. That's what I can do for you.

And prove to you whoever also can talk to you by telepathy communication method. Not only Jesus or Holy spirit that you said. Your understanding about Christianity is out of truth.

[Ab Origine]

Hi Folks...

Jeremy; Yawn Yawn Yawn - don't you ever get tired of your own narcissistic b-s..??...You know full well you are making it all up - Im not playing your silly games Jeremy, way way way beneath me and entirely distracting...Like I said -amusement value and nothing more offered by you..Its all complete nonsense...

In fact the ONLY truth Ive ever seen you post - is what you JUST put above lol - you and me - POLES APART my friend that is the only true statement you have ever posted - you are a joke making a mockery of spiritual truth - totally opposite to me - who is ALL ABOUT that spiritual truth, come what may....

Why do YOU ask me questions about spirituality the bible or Christ..??...I mean whatever answer I give you think you have an authority to judge it right or wrong - but look here is your truth my friend - you are a joke - do you even realise - You are nobody to judge anything spiritual, you haven't got a clue about any of it and as said make it up as you go along...lol.... My pet dog laying here by my feet is more spiritually aware than you will ever be...lol...so don't try to claim some bogus spiritual authority as your god yhvh already tried that and now you BOTH failed..

Every bit of SCRIPTURE Jeremy - that is presented here for purpose of analysis and INTELLIGENT conversation - just goes right over your head and is way way WAY past your understanding - isn't it..??.. So to compensate you bring in al lthis delusion as if its some game we are playing...lol...foolish...We are all iscussing legitimate topics and thereby reveal some legitimate spiritual TRUTH Jeremy - but you..??..As said, are taking the p*ss ON PURPOSE as you know full well that you DO make it all up as you go along !!

Now - say what you like about my posts and their content Jeremy - I refuse to engage you on spiritual matters as simply you are a fraud and we both know it.. Notice though - I DO explin my Self fully to everyone else - that's because I have REAL WORLD evidence Jeremy -I know its a new concept to you in fantasy land but for my Self Im explaining real world events, so there is just bound to be EVIDENCE mate if you know whereto look - those original gospels for one that all can see for them Self - and that real world evidence still exists and its not ME saying this for my Self is it - but rather, it is CHRIST saying it FIRST and then having me repeat it for Him here - so say what you like mate, everything I say in these posts IS VERIFIABLE IN ACTUAL REAL WORLD SCRIPTURE - whereas everything you post, only finds validity in what..??...an opium smoke ring or a fantasy delusion with NOTHING to verify it apart from your monotonous never ending monologue.. lol...

There you go mate - you finally found a real "spiritual battle" lol.. round 1 done and dusted - back on the ignore list for you I think lol - Im a spiritual Ninja mate - I will come out the shadows and do you quickly with brutal TRUTH - never fails - whereas you, are rather open and exposed and make yourself a VERY easy target - heres a trophy for you then from your first real encounter..lol..now you can add THIS to your "records" and repeat post it every thread as usual.. Yawn yawn bloody yawn..

[Jeremy Bong]

Ab Orgine,

Why I see your post just as abcde and no good meaning in them? You should have solid proof for what you said. But you're not going to do that anytime you do it. Just think this way.

*******Breaking news: my Cupidson tells me you've heard my Cupidson's voice by telepathy communication. So can you still telling me my Cupidsons is fallacy or fantasy? All I wrote are making up tales? And you refuse to answer my Cupidson********

When I read your post I can't not to remind you that you shouldn't simply write like that it's because Christian need is faith on their belief. But what you wrote every of your post is false , deceived, fraud, wrong God , wrong Jesus, .... So any Christian can tell you better learn more about your Bible, instead to turn the Christianity upside down.

It just indicates that you're not understanding how well is the religion or maybe you're on the way to learn something..... But your intentions are outrageous or riotous clamour and nothing else.

So you've not right or not any authority to say your way about Christian. I have my authority because my Spirit-God is looking after the Christianity heaven in the universe. So who are you to comment on me? I've been there but not you. And how you feel about Christianity is not right. Then I tell you it's time for your own good or benefit...... But I won't campel others to believe what I say. Especially, you who had little faith on the religion.

You may say, you're the Indian style is Christianity believe in Thomas book. But you should know you're far from the real primal Christianity. All you believe is only you books which is nothing good to the religion. And nothing can tell Christian that Christianity is good then you're out of the religion and you're on your own.

[Busby]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Bong

I don't understand what you are talking about? So may I ask, do you really understand what is "oneness" means? Your experience is only , maybe that your "your consciousness" escape from your body and die outside of your body. And it's not what your understanding as oneness. There's no connection to awareness of outside as oneness. That's a wrong or confusion or misunderstanding of soul.

Why I say your experience is your immature consciousness or soul rambling outside of your body and perish there. First you don't see it slow going out from your body and it doesn't entering your body again. That's not your true soul, it's only your consciousness escape from your body.

If you don't understand what I am writing about then just let it go - making comments and using your own understanding of what I have experienced won't get you very far.

Look at it this way - there are 8 billion people on this planet and each of them believes something, in some way. Now, what you don't understand is that whatever you (or anyone else) believe(s) is true, each of us, is, in his or her own way, the centre of the universe. This centre, being part of the ONENESS, that ONENESS which you as another centre has never experienced is as valid as anything Jeremy Bong may believe.

I personally don't believe in these scripture things, it doesn't make me less 'spiritual' than you or the Pope. What I do know is that I have been given insights into the workings of (my) universe which suit me down to the ground.