What is the difference between Worship and Surrender?

[Mathew James]

Is there a difference between;

Worshipping God, or Surrendering to God, or Praising God, or Remembering God, or submitting to God...

Are they all the same or not?


mj

Originally Posted by Mathew James

Is there a difference between;

Worshipping God, or Surrendering to God, or Praising God, or Remembering God, or submitting to God...

Are they all the same or not?


mj

Depends entirely on the theology and ontology.

Many monotheistic religions see worship as a surrendering to God, in general. Or praise.

Many pre-Christian religions that were polytheistic saw worship and veneration as a relationship of reciprocity. Give to the Gods and they give to us.

I don't see them as the same, but I think that a lot of the time they can be interconnected, depending on the religion.
Praise and worship are mostly the same in my book though, as is 'remembering'. When one worships a deity, you praise them, and remember them as an active, blessed presence. But the worship doesn't have to be surrendering or debasement. The ancient Egyptians would threaten gods, and so would the ancient Germanic tribes - whereas the Sumerians saw themselves as literal slaves to the gods. So that illustrates the complexity of views concerning man's relationship to the gods.

/ramble lol.

It's a complicated and interesting question.

[theophilus]

They aren't all the same but they are all interconnected. The difference between worship and praise is that worship focuses on who God is while praise focuses on what he has done. Surrendering and submitting to God are the same and are necessary before we can truly worship him. Remembering God means putting him first in our thoughts and is part of worship and praise.

Originally Posted by Mathew James

Is there a difference between;

Worshipping God, or Surrendering to God, or Praising God, or Remembering God, or submitting to God...

Are they all the same or not?


mj

I don't think they are the same. I said on the other thread last night that I had a moment when I surrendered to God, and it was when I allowed myself to explore the experience of no separation between me and God. So, "surrender," when I use that term, means "no separation." Whereas worshipping and praising would imply there is a separation -- can you see that?

That said, I can certainly understand wanting to worship and praise the God one sees in another's eyes, or in the beauty of a flower, or tree, or sky. And when you realize ("remember") you aren't separate from any of those things either, you see you are worshipping and praising yourself, which is cool, and very very healing.

Submitting is a strange word. Not sure about that one, though I suppose I do often have the experience of submitting to a will that is greater than myself (small s, not capital S). Also I suppose "submit" could mean "trust" which makes it similar to "surrender" in my view.

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by theophilus

Surrendering and submitting to God are the same and are necessary before we can truly worship him.

so surrendering comes before worship, that seams like how it would be


mj

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by SerpentQueen

.... So, "surrender," ... means "no separation."..
Whereas worshipping and praising would imply there is a separation -- can you see that?

yes, i can see what you mean to some degree. surrendering is a joining of some type and praising is a giving towards. praising seams to define what the concept is better than the word worshipping.

...And when you realize ("remember") you aren't separate from any of those things either, you see you are worshipping and praising yourself, ....

this is an interesting concept.


...I suppose "submit" could mean "trust" which makes it similar to "surrender" in my view.

yes, the word submit seams to be the same as surrender.


mj