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Old 19-03-2016, 01:58 AM
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r6r6r: "My wife and I were driving past a school yard and she asks me why are the boys all piling on top of each other like that. I said because that what boys do.

I dont recall exactly what the circumstances were, but if I recall correctly, this was not a football game but it may have been a token football-like gam the boys were playing out in the front schoolyard, not an actual football field."""

That is called dog pile, hehehe.. I grew up with two older half-brothers, the next-door neighbor family had six boys and one girl and we were all (plus others) involved in a spontaneous piling on top of each other and was called dog pile, who knows where they got that from, but it was at times a crushing experience- couldn't breathe some of us, but we were all laughing like idiots!
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Old 19-03-2016, 02:11 AM
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That is called dog pile, hehehe.. I grew up with two older half-brothers, the next-door neighbor family had six boys and one girl and we were all (plus others) involved in a spontaneous piling on top of each other and was called dog pile, who knows where they got that from, but it was at times a crushing experience- couldn't breathe some of us, but we were all laughing like idiots!

Yeah I have memories of those also and of having hard time breathing sometimes if on bottom.

Boys will be boys and girls will be girls. Every culture or group has variations but some basic themes are there more than others and some of those are genetically based ex testosterone.

To examine male and female without consideration of the genetics is missing half the boat.

Kids are kids world wide and share many common themes.

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Old 19-03-2016, 04:08 AM
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Omg, another Mulan fan!

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(I have nothing to add here, so carry on...)

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Old 19-03-2016, 06:54 AM
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Masculine concept does not exist without concept of feminine, except with those who choose to deny our observed reality, for various reasons.


OK, here's one who isn't likely to look past the gender dyad. (rofl)

Don't you even see the ways in which men socially define masculine meanings apart from using the 'opposite' gender to do so?
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Old 19-03-2016, 07:13 AM
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Yeah I have memories of those also and of having hard time breathing sometimes if on bottom.

Boys will be boys and girls will be girls. Every culture or group has variations but some basic themes are there more than others and some of those are genetically based ex testosterone.

To examine male and female without consideration of the genetics is missing half the boat.

Kids are kids world wide and share many common themes.

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Doesn't this suggest masculine expressions as something indemic to the male form, independent from defining by gender comparisons (or geometry rofl)?
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Old 19-03-2016, 07:14 AM
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Old 19-03-2016, 07:18 PM
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I think if look around in nature we find more males working out physically against other males, when a female(s) come into play. Psyche is a part of the physical, however, males may tend toward physical expression easier than females do


Women cry( release } men fry{ restrain } is another oldie but goodie.


Men tend to fry their emotional psyche more than women and as a resultant the high temperatures resultant more often with men exploding physically to take more than just themself.

Xx and Xy is the genetic basis for 50%{ more or less } of what we present to those around us.


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"men are pushers, women are attractors"...R. Bucky Fuller
It may be that if males tend to be less empathetic to others feelings, then one to feel is to get physical. Or maybe it is just great levels of testosterone driving to make contact with other boys to drive out the testosterone that is driving them..
Again the latter above may relate back to levels of testosterone. There is ample evidence that female brains are more active in both hemispheres of brain.
I also heard a disscusson once on NPR in these regards and this lady said that, ....'she had girl first and then a boy, and one day she look down and her boy was knawing on her ankle, and she thought, my girl never did that'....
To her this one incident made her think boys are not like girls.
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What a great topic and thank you everyone for your very well thought out insights and ideas!

"What does it mean to be a man?" has been a question that I had pondered deeply about. Growing up in a multi-cultural setting and in different countries, I had the opportunity to witness what various cultures define as masculine in their society. There is of course the psycho-social construct that are passed down from cultures... but there is a bit more to it than that.

Regardless of cultural and societal norms, there are those men that simply exude a certain raw psychic masculine energy. I'm not talking about machismo or an exaggeration of trying to act rough and manly. There are those men that naturally and simply exude an aura of strength, integrity, confidence, wisdom, and are gentle/compassionate at the same time.

I dance ballet and also practice Krav Maga (Israeli Combat System) and in both of my training there are men. It truly matters not what traditional ideals would place on the man or what he does (or his sexual orientation), but there truly is this underlying spiritual masculine energy that really screams "A Real Man Here!" And as an Empath, I tend to find that energy comforting. I would instantly feel safe and protected in their presence.

Interestingly enough, I also feel that same energy in some women as well. I wonder perhaps being a man on a psychic, spiritual, energetic level is much more than simply toting around a particular genitalia.

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Old 21-03-2016, 03:59 AM
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Doesn't this suggest masculine expressions as something indemic to the male form, independent from defining by gender comparisons (or geometry rofl)?
I think I get what you are aiming at. It's an interesting idea that this is part of what is destroying male/female relations.

My perspective spend enough time with almost any man and that essence is there. It's beautiful in all its forms and like imzadi said I always feel comforted when it shows itself.

It seems to me most men hide it out of not feeling they are good enough deep down. Perhaps if people could just be themselves and not try to "be" anything we would see that beautiful essence that is man more frequently.

I could be wrong but for instance 3 men off the top of my head that exude manliness to me.

1 has been parading as the unruffled stoic man for decades. Finally he lets himself free, WOW showing his heart I see the real man essence now. What drives him.

2 is a womanizing, rather has been a womanizing player, never seemed manly, now he's introspecting and facing his demons and vulnerability and now you can see his strength and courage.

3. was a porn star, and had all the trappings of that lifestyle. He screamed weak and repelled me. He has gone through a heart break. Now he's compassionate protective, still struggles but his heart is engaged and he exudes man-ness.

My experience is manliness is innate an not measurable by physical standards.
What makes a man is just being brave enough to be open hearted.
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Old 21-03-2016, 07:39 AM
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I think I get what you are aiming at. It's an interesting idea that this is part of what is destroying male/female relations.

My perspective spend enough time with almost any man and that essence is there. It's beautiful in all its forms and like imzadi said I always feel comforted when it shows itself.

It seems to me most men hide it out of not feeling they are good enough deep down. Perhaps if people could just be themselves and not try to "be" anything we would see that beautiful essence that is man more frequently.

I could be wrong but for instance 3 men off the top of my head that exude manliness to me.

1 has been parading as the unruffled stoic man for decades. Finally he lets himself free, WOW showing his heart I see the real man essence now. What drives him.

2 is a womanizing, rather has been a womanizing player, never seemed manly, now he's introspecting and facing his demons and vulnerability and now you can see his strength and courage.

3. was a porn star, and had all the trappings of that lifestyle. He screamed weak and repelled me. He has gone through a heart break. Now he's compassionate protective, still struggles but his heart is engaged and he exudes man-ness.

My experience is manliness is innate an not measurable by physical standards.
What makes a man is just being brave enough to be open hearted.

Masculinity is the sublime essence of manhood, and contrary to simplistic and popular opinion regarding the gender binary, there are other elements of transition from boyhood into manhood, and to maturity and older age, which leaves no stasis to identify precisely. There is no precise moment when a boy 'comes of age' and no adult age in particular when a male is more or less masculine. Even within the individual himself, masculinity flows subliminally to the changing male body; hence, I see the male body as simultaneously indicative and expressive of masculinity - as the male form and masculine expression inhabit the one and same movement through space and time.

What of the gender spectrum that moves through the life span, the spectrum that exists across cultures, and indeed, the spectrum of gender that ranges in degrees from feminine to masculine?

In all of that, we can not hope to pin down definitive meaning, or say for example that a weak, small or disabled figure is somehow less masculine. This is a facet of spectrum that has no quantity per-se, but a multidimentional scalar motion of body shape and individual and social physical and psychic masculine expressions.

Even though this dynamic of lifespan and diversity of body shape and the gender continuum makes the definitive gender elusive, there an esoteric masculinity which one senses not by its definite presence, but by the subliminal motion of its living form.
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