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12-05-2016, 04:36 PM
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Isn't it rather pointless to argue...all this "oh, I'm right, and you're wrong", all this "you said this, so you mean this", and "yes, I said that but you misunderstand" is only the ego barging in, doing it's self pump-up. And yep, we're all guilty of that to varying degrees.
No one of us mere mortals has THE ANSWER, I don't care what anyone says when they say they do. Gold3nDragon3ye has opened some very insightful contemplation...let's discuss this without letting our egos jump in, if at all possible. We're all on different paths that lead to the same place. Let's discuss what we're experiencing without thinking everyone else' path should be just like our own. It's the only way to learn about our true purpose.
What do the most wealthy people on earth, the western world comfy middle class people and the bushman in Africa all have in common? A need to eat, have shelter and thrive. It's how we come about in achieving our goals that create a commonality, and becomes the norm for any of those, whether dining on Beef Wellington and returning to our palatial mansion or eating fat grub worms and returning to our hut. The problem comes from "I deserve the plumpest scrub worms and a stronger hut because _____" or "I deserve the best Beef Wellington and finest mansion because _____". It's all the same because the ego rears it's head and is fed.
Edgar Cayce said Atlantis was a great society because of the Law of One and service to others. It's destruction came because selfishness became the norm. Whether fact or fiction, doesn't this make sense? Does society become better when the norm is selfishness, materialism and control (in order for one or a few to "have it all")? I forget who said "if you can dream it, it can become reality". It depends on what we dream of and what comes from that that makes it so. If the ego wins, we have what we have the kind of world we have today. I think that's what Gold3nDragon3ye was essentially saying, and I agree.
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12-05-2016, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Baile
To stop my learned behavior, I first needed to unlearn Pisces Age thought patterns. I had to free myself completely from the way in which I was taught to conceptualize Spirit, in order to avoid shackling myself to just another, different square peg belief paradigm.
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What help have you had along the way? When I read your words I see inspiration that arises from a source outside of culturalized thinking. I've mentioned already on the form that I'm a regular lucid dreamer (just had another last night in answer to a friends question about dreaming. She asked me if in dreams does a person actually talk to me in words, do I hear a voice in my dreams in conversations. I honestly wasn't sure. I knew I saw a cacophony of colors, a rich spectrum of sounds and music, and of course wonderous detail but I wasn't sure about specific speech and hearing in a dream. Last night I had fairly lengthy lucid dream with a friendly conversation with a dream entity. I was watching closely for the words as they came from their mouths and listened as they entered my ear. I reported back to my friend this morning that yes indeed I hear words from another in the dream state :) now where was I, oh yea, I've also been out of body a couple of times and my intuitive read on others in person makes even me uncomfortable at times. I use these experiences to backcheck my impressions of what it is to be physical and as a guide as to what's worthy of 'spiritual' consideration and what isn't.
Have you been so blessed along these lines? When I read your posts I see the kind of emotional and insightful content that suggests you're gaining insight from a playbook that's not physical in origin. Most "spiritualist" seem to be of the index card reading type, while your insight carries a depth that I recognize. :)
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13-05-2016, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MARDAV70
Isn't it rather pointless to argue...all this "oh, I'm right, and you're wrong", all this "you said this, so you mean this", and "yes, I said that but you misunderstand" is only the ego barging in, doing it's self pump-up. And yep, we're all guilty of that to varying degrees.
No one of us mere mortals has THE ANSWER, I don't care what anyone says when they say they do. Gold3nDragon3ye has opened some very insightful contemplation...let's discuss this without letting our egos jump in, if at all possible. We're all on different paths that lead to the same place. Let's discuss what we're experiencing without thinking everyone else' path should be just like our own. It's the only way to learn about our true purpose.
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You see arguing. I see a bit of that, but mostly I see discussion involving contrary views that are quite revealing and entirely relate to that which the OP posted. He states we should do away with learned beliefs, and instead question everything. Well one doesn't achieve that by starting out with an already-assumed set of belief parameters and existential truths. That's the Pisces Age model; that's religion, the "learned belief" approach that got us where we are now. As for ego (and with regards to why arguments even start in the first place), tell me which person appears to be operating from a place of ego. This is a common exchange I see taking place on this forum:
Person A: "I don't believe in an external God. The Divine is within me, I am one with the Divine, I am Divine."
Person B: "I can't believe how egotistical that statement is. Obviously you are not God who is responsible for creation."
Which of those two is egotistical? To believe I am Divine? Or to think I am so profoundly insightful that I can tell someone what they aren't, all the while explaining to them what "God" is?
Last edited by Baile : 13-05-2016 at 12:43 PM.
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13-05-2016, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by organic born
What help have you had along the way?
Have you been so blessed along these lines? When I read your posts I see the kind of emotional and insightful content that suggests you're gaining insight from a playbook that's not physical in origin.
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The ego being that I am just had to quote the "insightful" part of your comment heh. Gold3nDragon3ye's OP spoke to me in part because I recognized similarities in his path and my path. I spent the first two decades of my life naively oblivious, the next two decades studying esoteric spiritual-scientific philosophies, and the next two decades unlearning everything I just spent two decades studying. I'm now back to naively oblivious and feeling 20 again. The circle is complete and I'm ready for whatever's next!
The short on-topic answer is yes, I feel blessed that every time life clouded over for me, something reached into the fog of my life and yanked me free. I even had a conversation once with an invisible being who specifically instructed me regarding what to do with my life. It was during a time of crisis and, having nothing left to lose, I did it. And it became my happy career for many years. My big secret to life though has to do with dreams as well. I reconnected to my childhood dreams. I lost all that in my four-decade search for external knowledge. Conceptualizing didn't work for me this lifetime and it even made me ill. So I went back to what I did naturally as a child, I made my truth physical. My life is my truth. The OP talks about trying anything and everything. And I agree, and I did that over a number of years. In my case though and for me, the answer had more to do with returning to that which I carried with me as a soul impulse when I first incarnated.
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13-05-2016, 01:37 PM
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i will state the obvious: my input to this thread is ignored.
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13-05-2016, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Gold3nDragon3ye
I think what ever we know and do on a regular basis is trash.
We are a type of people who are not very intelligent as a whole
I feel I am right to say reality as we know it is all a dream.
Do not be scared to question otherwise you will say is this INSANITY?
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I don't know how serious you are with these observations. Nevertheless I will say that beliefs that life is trash, that people are not intelligent, that reality doesn't matter (nihilism), and seeing life as insanity, is not reality. That's you deciding what reality is. Your outlook and attitude towards reality is to a large degree influenced by what you're putting into your body and mind: what you're eating, and what you're watching and reading on the internet.
Some suggestions if you want to try it: Change you diet to vegan, and stop watching and reading the news. I can tell you from experience that even just going on a week-long cleanse can substantially increase your enthusiasm and belief in life. The more junk we put into the body, the more junky our life outlook. It's true. Just stop eating meat, try that much, and notice the positive change it has on your thinking and behavior.
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13-05-2016, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E
i will state the obvious: my input to this thread is ignored.
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Horace, this is what I saw: One view was posted expressing the idea that human history - what came before, what happened in the past - makes no difference to one's self-development path, here in the present moment. And another view was expressed, the idea that to ignore human history and so forth, renders the life journey meaningless. One reason I haven't replied is because I honestly believe these are two different topics. I acknowledge that history is relevant, sure. The question for me though is, in relation to which specific questions? Relevant to one's self-development? I would say no to that. For me it's a simple matter, and I don't see any connection to the idea that human history somehow affects my self-development and life journey.
I know some spiritual scientific philosophies make a big deal of human history, and state that our collective evolution is tied to both our spiritual (karmic) past, and what humanity chooses to do with that knowledge in the future. The idea being that certain evolutionary impulses won't come about unless humankind wakes up to their responsibility in this regard. But I don't believe that either, this to me is just a variation of religious punishment or apocalyptic belief.
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13-05-2016, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Baile
You see arguing. I see a bit of that, but mostly I see discussion involving contrary views that are quite revealing and entirely relate to that which the OP posted. He states we should do away with learned beliefs, and instead question everything. Well one doesn't achieve that by starting out with an already-assumed set of belief parameters and existential truths. That's the Pisces Age model; that's religion, the "learned belief" approach that got us where we are now. As for ego (and with regards to why arguments even start in the first place), tell me which person appears to be operating from a place of ego. This is a common exchange I see taking place on this forum:
Person A: "I don't believe in an external God. The Divine is within me, I am one with the Divine, I am Divine."
Person B: "I can't believe how egotistical that statement is. Obviously you are not God who is responsible for creation."
Which of those two is egotistical? To believe I am Divine? Or to think I am so profoundly insightful that I can tell someone what they aren't, all the while explaining to them what "God" is?
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We all have ego, and it makes sense to me it affects all of us from time to varying degrees (please don't take that personal). Maybe it was my ego in my response...?
The important thing is to express those things we experience. Simply, I (sadly) saw a heading toward a bit of discord in the interplay. If I was wrong, I apologize.
Baile, in other posts much, much of what you've expressed resonates greatly and positively with me, and I've learned from you (as well as a few others here). So, I'll go with all the good stuff. I do always try to, but sometimes I fail. Maybe I failed here (?).
Namaste.
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13-05-2016, 06:09 PM
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Ascender
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Originally Posted by Baile
The ego being that I am just had to quote the "insightful" part of your comment heh. Gold3nDragon3ye's OP spoke to me in part because I recognized similarities in his path and my path. I spent the first two decades of my life naively oblivious, the next two decades studying esoteric spiritual-scientific philosophies, and the next two decades unlearning everything I just spent two decades studying. I'm now back to naively oblivious and feeling 20 again. The circle is complete and I'm ready for whatever's next!
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Thanks for this quick tour of your development Baile.
Mine went something like this. First decade was neck deep in religious indoctrination, (that was a flop, aside from learning that it's not remotely a viable option) the next two decades were punctuated with wave after wave of unusual experiences, the following two decades were mixed still with unusual experiences, and with an acceleration of my trying to find information that would square consciously with what I was inwardly being exposed to... as well as learning what it essentially takes to navigate freely within our current version of social indoctrination's (raising a family, running businesses). This stream has continued until now, with some of the best stuff arriving over the last couple of years.
This last year has been simply awesome! The food issue had been wavering back and forth, on and off through all of these years and only recently as locked into place as a solid. So much so that I'm learning to grow my own food, for the sake of nutrient density and to maintain hands-on over quality. Our bodies are our intimate connection with this 3D experience and the cleaner it runs the more crisper our connection with our deeper-self becomes.
Since my first potent experience with =that which is deeper than this= I've been listening too and following what leads as they present themselves. We can learn words, concepts and all sorts of formulas, but they don't put a dent in relation to our greater connection with being. It's okay to know these conceptual orientations in order to keep-up with what other people are thinking, but the idea that we'll evolve in relation to "thinking" itself is to simply miss the fact that thought is an expression of ideas, nothing more.
We don't "think" ourselves "aware" to our greater self when we pass-on from this world, we simply 'are', same thing goes with our awaking while still oriented within this 3D existence. We just 'are', only we're visiting within a body that's contained within natural rules (defined by whatever). So it's not about thinking, it's about being present. The thinking part can become truly a distraction.
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Originally Posted by Baile
My life is my truth. The OP talks about trying anything and everything. And I agree, and I did that over a number of years. In my case though and for me, the answer had more to do with returning to that which I carried with me as a soul impulse when I first incarnated.
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And it shows! You are listening to the tone that defines your conscious existence. We are currently wrapped up in a physical body, but that's just a description that we accept about ourselves. And clearly it's temporary, duhh. :)
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13-05-2016, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by organic born
This poster you've responded to is still working among shadows and in no way has the depth of wisdom that you've earned through your years of dedicated inquires. Intellectual observations are a far cry different from having lived a life of application and results. People may use the same words from time to time but the core knowings behind those words may vary wildly. :)
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Condescending to a genuine spirit of inquiry.
OP - hope you come back and visit other threads.
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