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Old 08-12-2018, 10:21 PM
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I am interested in what you believe, but please in your own plain language. Tell me what you think from your understanding without quotes from other works.

This is what I believe. There are many references throughout the world, within religions and philosophies, or Mircea Eliade called the ‘Axis Mundi, or center of the world. For me it is a reference to the energetic center within each of us. I believe it is Nirvana from Hinduism, the yellow middle from Taoism, the Garden of Eden from Christianity, and many other similar references. The question is what is this within us and how do we get there?

It is an experience, a personal journey. The reaching of Nirvana, Salvation, Following ‘The Way or path’ in Taoism etc…

I believe it is shifting one’s consciousness from external things outside to internal things within. We begin this process using meditation. Quiet the mind and listen. I believe all cultures speak of two halves of our consciousness. Male/female, light/dark, yin/yang, heaven/earth, etc… These are pairs and opposites. In the same way the human mind, read animal soul(Taoist term), is brain based and creates a brain based reality, read projected reality. There is another heart based is spirit soul(another Taoist term) and is generates a reality from the heart that is the real world around us, read phenomenal world.

We are all made up of these two halves the animal soul and spirit soul. We can’t experience the world around us from both at the same time and often are not even aware of which we are experiencing the world from in any given moment. When we begin to go within via meditation, we begin to sense the phenomenal world more and more. We see ourselves as we truly are in the world, often not pretty, but this is where true growth begins, and we can change ourselves. Acceptance of self in our imperfections and changing these things we find is the The Way.

In the world of duality there are there energetic systems. Heaven, Earth, Man (Taoism), Father, Son, Holy Ghost(Trinity), lower, middle, and upper chakra groups from eastern philosophies. The energy of Heaven is separate and distinct from the Energy of Earth. They coexist and are all around us, but they don’t interact. The only place they interact is within each of us. We have both within us, this is the source of our dual nature.

We never truly become One being, we can become One being that is creating and maintaining this balance of these two energetic systems with us in any given moment. If you have the energy of heaven and the energy of Earth within you in balance and harmony, this puts you in the Axis Mundi, yellow middle, center, the Garden of Eden…where all things come from.

When we came here the first time, there was not much interference between us and our center. As we have this human experience from the animal soul, we imprint unresolved issues within ourselves. Over lifetimes we no longer sense the spirit soul within us. All this accumulated ‘stuff’ that we are not aware of dictates our choices and how we experience the phenomenal world or not.

The Way back is to identify these things, remove them until they are no longer are a part of you and you can achieve and maintain Center within yourself in any given moment.

That’s what I think. This is the experience I am having this lifetime. I don’t think it ever ends as long as we are in human form, but every day my connection with universe or Source grows stronger because of the work I do on myself.

Thanks for reading.

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Old 08-12-2018, 11:04 PM
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Oh...funny I this second posted something in Poetry...here...does this say what you might be looking for?

Ha, the work you do on yourself...you are doing nothing, my friend! Nothing.
And you know it. It's right on the surface, I can tell. Funny, how all of us on this Path sound insane most of the time.


There is an ache.
But, is it in my heart?
No, it is Your heart, Lord.
I am just a witness to You.
All that I am and all that I see...
I am a witness to You...
Any mistake, any triumph...it is all You.
It has always been You...in
The ant, in the bear, in my neighbor, in the stars.
Always You.
Thank You for showing what I think is a me.
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Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru
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Old 09-12-2018, 02:05 AM
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Brian offers an interesting perspective. We may agree with some parts and disagree with other parts, and that is fine. We each construct our own model of the nature of Creation and the nature of a human being, and how the human being fits into Creation. That model serves us and provides a framework for considering new information and experiences. Sometimes new information fits neatly into our existing model, which is all good. Sometimes it does not fit, so then we have to re-evaluate our model and maybe tweak it a bit. My model does not quite match Brian's, and as I said, that is fine.

So Brian says:

The energy of Heaven is separate and distinct from the Energy of Earth. They coexist and are all around us, but they don’t interact. The only place they interact is within each of us. We have both within us, this is the source of our dual nature.

I would suggest that the energy of Heaven (Purusha or Spirit) interacts with the energy of Earth (Prakriti or Matter) throughout Creation. Spirit is everywhere, as is Matter, but we have to get away from the idea of Matter as form and start thinking of Matter as intelligent substance. The interaction of omnipresent Spirit and omnipresent Matter produces omnipresent Consciousness.

Consciousness in the human being can look outwards to form or inwards to formlessness. The nature of form is separation, the nature of formlessness is unity.

Brian also says:

We never truly become One being, we can become One being that is creating and maintaining this balance of these two energetic systems with us in any given moment.

I would suggest that we are One Being. We do not have to become it - we already are it. It comes down to identification. Do we identify with the One Being? Or do we identify with the outward expression of the human energy systems?

Eventually we leave behind the human form and we operate purely in the fields of Consciousness. So let us not get too caught up in ideas of the brain vs the heart. Esotericism suggests that there is a brain within the heart and a heart within the brain.

But thanks to Brian for raising these ideas. And in the end, our philosophical model is just another thought. Whatever our model, if it works for us and we become more centred, more connected, more loving and more compassionate, then we have to be heading in the right direction.

Peace.
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Old 09-12-2018, 05:05 AM
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Overcoming duality ...
Not theoretically
Practically
Involves fulcrum shift
Of consciousness
In lived reality
A good starting point
May be at the end!
Biscetion
Dissection
Intellectualisation
Is alright for stimulation
But remains
As knowledge is
Vicarious
Uncertain
Debatable
Egoic
And it is the ego ...
Which creates duality
Separateness
If we be
Both judge and jury
Is it not ... perjury?
Don’t think ... feel
Feel as in feeeeel
In non thought presence
In just being
Still
And then
When we realise
When asked to delineate
We either fall silent
Or use symbols
Inadequate

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Old 09-12-2018, 12:20 PM
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Overcoming duality ...
Not theoretically
Practically
Involves fulcrum shift
Of consciousness
In lived reality
A good starting point
May be at the end!
Biscetion
Dissection
Intellectualisation
Is alright for stimulation
But remains
As knowledge is
Vicarious
Uncertain
Debatable
Egoic
And it is the ego ...
Which creates duality
Separateness
If we be
Both judge and jury
Is it not ... perjury?
Don’t think ... feel
Feel as in feeeeel
In non thought presence
In just being
Still
And then
When we realise
When asked to delineate
We either fall silent
Or use symbols
Inadequate

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xl;qoqog
sliosdgo
sopoasio
sopfoasgn
sodiaosgn
LPDFIAOSNDGV

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Old 09-12-2018, 12:29 PM
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Well said! :)

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Old 09-12-2018, 12:33 PM
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Brian offers an interesting perspective. We may agree with some parts and disagree with other parts, and that is fine. We each construct our own model of the nature of Creation and the nature of a human being, and how the human being fits into Creation. That model serves us and provides a framework for considering new information and experiences. Sometimes new information fits neatly into our existing model, which is all good. Sometimes it does not fit, so then we have to re-evaluate our model and maybe tweak it a bit. My model does not quite match Brian's, and as I said, that is fine.

So Brian says:

The energy of Heaven is separate and distinct from the Energy of Earth. They coexist and are all around us, but they don’t interact. The only place they interact is within each of us. We have both within us, this is the source of our dual nature.

I would suggest that the energy of Heaven (Purusha or Spirit) interacts with the energy of Earth (Prakriti or Matter) throughout Creation. Spirit is everywhere, as is Matter, but we have to get away from the idea of Matter as form and start thinking of Matter as intelligent substance. The interaction of omnipresent Spirit and omnipresent Matter produces omnipresent Consciousness.

Consciousness in the human being can look outwards to form or inwards to formlessness. The nature of form is separation, the nature of formlessness is unity.

Brian also says:

We never truly become One being, we can become One being that is creating and maintaining this balance of these two energetic systems with us in any given moment.

I would suggest that we are One Being. We do not have to become it - we already are it. It comes down to identification. Do we identify with the One Being? Or do we identify with the outward expression of the human energy systems?

Eventually we leave behind the human form and we operate purely in the fields of Consciousness. So let us not get too caught up in ideas of the brain vs the heart. Esotericism suggests that there is a brain within the heart and a heart within the brain.

But thanks to Brian for raising these ideas. And in the end, our philosophical model is just another thought. Whatever our model, if it works for us and we become more centred, more connected, more loving and more compassionate, then we have to be heading in the right direction.

Peace.

I Am, thanks for adding to the conversation. My summary & most of the language comes initially from research with Taoism. The dual nature of man, then onto Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, & Buddhism. I began meditating in 1997 in my early 40's. Over time I could sense the shift in consciousness within myself; to see myself and the world around me as it is not as my brain had constructed it to be. Every time I had an awareness a shift in consciousness this is what the Taoist would call a moment of Observation.

"Still if you practice observation with a mind attached to projected reality, you will never be aware of bad feelings in yourself. Only when your mind is utterly detached from projected reality can you observe the phenomenal world and truly understand right and wrong. In fact, you are just like a sobered man. Freshly awakened, he can now see the evil he did while he was drunk, deeds of which he was completely unconscious before." Life of Sima Chengzhen. Sima Chengzhen (AD 647-735) was a renowned Taoist priest of the Tang Dynasty.

Kohn, Livia. The Taoist Experience: An Anthology. State University of New York, 1993. P. 241.
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The more I have these moments the more I strip away and the greater my balance is in the moment. If you take the trigrams from the I Ching and lay them out on a circular grid of eight quadrants, each center line from each trigram which represents the energy of man is it's opposite and equal. They are all pairs of yin/yang. Then you add five agent theory onto the grid and you have a two dimensional representation of the energy of heaven and earth.

Identify the feeling and use the energy of the opposite quadrant to pull yourself back to center. A very useful tool.

More here.

thethreeandtheone.com/articles/oneness-a-discussion-of-what-it-is-to-be-one-within-and-one-with-the-world-around-you
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Old 09-12-2018, 05:17 PM
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Ah Ms H!

In truth there is no original thought as in a distinct thinker thinking
Only vibrational frequency correspondent to orientation resonating
So the recognition
Is merely of our consciousness’s attention

As at this moment

In other words
We being one
Awareness being one
We recognise
Ourselves!

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Well said! :)

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You have a great sense of humor. I am really interested in what you think. Not with poems or quotes, but in your language what you think. Would you allow me this courtesy?

Thanks.

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