What I believe full enlightenment is

[Questions]

https://www.dharmaoverground.org/dis...essage/5224358

I've had some glimpses/experiences explained by that guy and I don't think he's lying but who knows

What do you guys think

[utopiandreamchild]

Originally Posted by Questions

https://www.dharmaoverground.org/dis...essage/5224358

I've had some glimpses/experiences explained by that guy and I don't think he's lying but who knows

What do you guys think

If you love it then it's for you. If not then look elsewhere. Amen

[inavalan]

Interesting account ... What I don't get, is why would one do this. Is it a shortcut in one's evolvement?

All those technicalities sound interesting, but what are they accomplishing toward one's evolvement. There must be souls who evolve without going through that process toward the same goal.

All those enlightened people belonging to so different religions, have different, unmatching visions. So they might witness the "truth", but don't really see it, or perceive it.

For me, enlightenment is becoming lucid to the essence that incarnated in you, in a similar way to becoming lucid in your dream.

[Questions]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Interesting account ... What I don't get, is why would one do this. Is it a shortcut in one's evolvement?

All those technicalities sound interesting, but what are they accomplishing toward one's evolvement. There must be souls who evolve without going through that process toward the same goal.

All those enlightened people belonging to so different religions, have different, unmatching visions. So they might witness the "truth", but don't really see it, or perceive it.

For me, enlightenment is becoming lucid to the essence that incarnated in you, in a similar way to becoming lucid in your dream.

The same guy posted on a different site with some additional info and says no matter the path it leads to the same destination. You have eastern orthodox monks of Christianity, Sufi masters from Islam, yogis, Sikhs and also some new agers that are highly realized and fully enlightened.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread999026/pg1

It seems like they just use different words pointing to the same thing

[running]

Originally Posted by Questions

https://www.dharmaoverground.org/dis...essage/5224358

I've had some glimpses/experiences explained by that guy and I don't think he's lying but who knows

What do you guys think

sounds right. the guru also has some spiritual gifts like leaving the body. these folks are putting all there devotion on it. and why they become so powerful.

i got into truck driving because i felt like it pays me for spiritual development. as driving is like a meditation. and my strength is with nature so as i drive i get a transmission from whats around me. but im trying to make enough money to be able to devote more of my time more directly like these folks are. i don't consider ever being able to all in like them. but they imspire me for the love of devotion and simplicity as a practice for spiritual development.

thank you for sharing!

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by running

sounds right. the guru also has some spiritual gifts like leaving the body. these folks are putting all there devotion on it. and why they become so powerful.

i got into truck driving because i felt like it pays me for spiritual development. as driving is like a meditation. and my strength is with nature so as i drive i get a transmission from whats around me. but im trying to make enough money to be able to devote more of my time more directly like these folks are. i don't consider ever being able to all in like them. but they imspire me for the love of devotion and simplicity as a practice for spiritual development.

thank you for sharing!

If the guy was enlightened where would he go? What body would he leave? Would he not be all of it? All within him, no place to go.

Such traveling is dualistic and a sign of not being enlightened.

[running]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

If the guy was enlightened where would he go? What body would he leave? Would he not be all of it? All within him, no place to go.

Such traveling is dualistic and a sign of not being enlightened.

then it becomes a philosophical debate. i dont necessarely disagree with what your saying. and i think these things can become a big block from bliss and silence if it becomes about the gift more than the other. but thats ok. my girlfriend runs as she calls it bliss off and on. silence. she likes it that way. she gave me a healing yesterday for my shoulder. noticed it is damaged a little. my shoulder responded and put her into what she calls running the bliss. today she perhaps isn't now. and for her she likes it that way. because the bliss makes her less productive and can't think as well. simply because her system isn't used to it from going off and on. and also she is more about being a psychic. thats her job and values that the most. so a variety of reasons can be like blocks. but to her its not. but a choice. she values one thing over the other.

anyways im just trying to say for a variety of reasons i think things from my view can be blocks. blocks to me cause i value bliss and silence over the other.

ok. going back to this guy astral projecting. i just drove myself down the road. ate some food once i stopped. typing words right now communicating to you. a couple days ago while meditating i was getting some psychic information. called my mom to see how she is doing. after im done typing. going to go use the bathroom. all of which is a doing. so dualistic. all the while experiencing the non dual of blliss and silence uninterrupted.

so i dont know what you mean exactly. if he is in the bliss and silence and its causeless, ongoing , no disruptions, and so on. non dual. and i would think since he is alive. he would just like everybody else engage in duality. experience the non dual while also experincing duality. i think its just a sing of a spiritual gift he has.

having and using spiritual gifts just like everything else doesn't disrupt the experience of the non dual. if it is to the point of permanence.

thats how i see it. but enlightement could mean a lot of things. its really not a word i use or think of. so i am simply responding based upon the experience of bliss and silence.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by running

then it becomes a philosophical debate. i dont necessarely disagree with what your saying. and i think these things can become a big block from bliss and silence if it becomes about the gift more than the other. but thats ok. my girlfriend runs as she calls it bliss off and on. silence. she likes it that way. she gave me a healing yesterday for my shoulder. noticed it is damaged a little. my shoulder responded and put her into what she calls running the bliss. today she perhaps isn't now. and for her she likes it that way. because the bliss makes her less productive and can't think as well. simply because her system isn't used to it from going off and on. and also she is more about being a psychic. thats her job and values that the most. so a variety of reasons can be like blocks. but to her its not. but a choice. she values one thing over the other.

anyways im just trying to say for a variety of reasons i think things from my view can be blocks. blocks to me cause i value bliss and silence over the other.

ok. going back to this guy astral projecting. i just drove myself down the road. ate some food once i stopped. typing words right now communicating to you. a couple days ago while meditating i was getting some psychic information. called my mom to see how she is doing. after im done typing. going to go use the bathroom. all of which is a doing. so dualistic. all the while experiencing the non dual of blliss and silence uninterrupted.

so i dont know what you mean exactly. if he is in the bliss and silence and its causeless, ongoing , no disruptions, and so on. non dual. and i would think since he is alive. he would just like everybody else engage in duality. experience the non dual while also experincing duality. i think its just a sing of a spiritual gift he has.

having and using spiritual gifts just like everything else doesn't disrupt the experience of the non dual. if it is to the point of permanence.

thats how i see it. but enlightement could mean a lot of things. its really not a word i use or think of. so i am simply responding based upon the experience of bliss and silence.

You feel your fingers as part of yourself right?

Non dual would be feeling the movement of a leaf on a tree as yourself in the same way as your finger.

You don't go anywhere to feel your finger, nor would you have to go anywhere to be the leaf, the universe, etc. You are all that.

Bliss and silence has many levels so there can be a danger on basing everything on ones current experience of either. I am sure you have seen that here at SF with some people..

You are right that enlightenment can have many definitions so it is best in a thread like this to lay out a definition.

To me it is moving beyond the ego self, to realizing the Oneness of all things as well as the emptiness of that Universal Oneness.

[running]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

You feel your fingers as part of yourself right?

Non dual would be feeling the movement of a leaf on a tree as yourself in the same way as your finger.

You don't go anywhere to feel your finger, nor would you have to go anywhere to be the leaf, the universe, etc. You are all that.

Bliss and silence has many levels so there can be a danger on basing everything on ones current experience of either. I am sure you have seen that here at SF with some people..

You are right that enlightenment can have many definitions so it is best in a thread like this to lay out a definition.

To me it is moving beyond the ego self, to realizing the Oneness of all things as well as the emptiness of that Universal Oneness.

i understood where you were coming from. i know. i experince like a medium. i don't do it. but when i do i always just experience it as me. i dont go anywhere.

with that said. who is to say he isnt enlightened because of astral projecting?. right now you are communicating to me in seperation. right now im communicating to you in seperation. right now i would ask you how you feel. you would ask me. or whatever it may be.

so anyone can make a case about not being enlightened. it could very well be he enjoys exploring the universe through the perspective of astral projecting. it could be said we enjoy exploring life in a body as we are right now.

enlightement in my view assumes there is an end. i really don't care for the term. its very misleading imo.

[running]

the lower dan tien. sounds like the void. silence. the masculine aspect.

the middle dan tien. the bliss/current that fillls one with joy. the feminine aspect.

the upper dien. sounds like he is referring to the crown being fully open. which would have to be for the other dan tiens to be.


he also speaks about the different ways of opening to it. one from the crown. dripping down. opening the rest. the other from inside. perhaps the opening of the heart. that then opens the rest.

interesting. everything he says makes sense in the most basic ways. which to me gives validity. when it takes mountains of information to try to explain something. its because its just a lot of non sense imo. he does elaborate in some perceptions perhaps a bit. but it's all right on target to what it really is. that's how i read it anyways.

would love to have a transmission from that guy! lol. sounds like he has power!