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Old 03-03-2018, 10:58 PM
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Well of course, the J.W.'s are the only true flock, who's New World translation authors cannot be traced.

I've asked also, K.J., what makes the J.W.'s any different from any other religion which states they must follow their rules and stipulations in order to go to heaven.

Meanwhile in actuality, the source of the Joy in the Lord involves the understanding of Salvation!
That after the Almighty gave the Law through Moses, He went about establishing the atoning practices for sin.
Which established foundation, Jesus is the long prophesied Capstone, of. The Savior.

Here is the wellspring of Joy... which Jesus spoke about, involving the extension of God's Mercy, Grace, and Love!

The accepted indications of a cult are this...
That 1.
They say that Jesus is not the Almighty Himself, incarnate into the world. The Deity of Christ.
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They deny that Salvation comes, "by Grace, through Faith", in the shed blood of the atoning Lamb of God.
"Not of yourself, for it is a GIFT of God. Not of works, so that none may boast."
St. Paul
Ephesians 2:9

Also, as told to us way back in Leviticus 17!
Which the Jews of Jesus day missed.

"The Life of the creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the alter to make atonement for your soul.
For it is the blood which makes atonement for the soul.
Also depicted in Leviticus 16, regarding the illustration of, "The Scapegoat".

Jesus, as St. John stated, shed His blood for the sin of the world.
The reason for which escapes the J.W.'s.
Involving original, and inherent sin, leading to all others.
Paul also clearly dilineated the purpose of the law in the book of Romans, saying NO ONE can be justified by it! As it points out our sin, and failure to keep it.

Which understanding also escaped the Jews of Jesus day, just as it seems to the J.W.'s, today.

The bible teaches--144,000 are promised heaven-Rev 14:3--The great multitude will inherit the earth. Matt 5:5
Yes its a gift no matter who gets it. But certain practiced sins one will not enter Gods kingdom it says.-1Corinthians 6:9-11--Galations 5:19-21 added to false god worship and pagan practices off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) = 99% on earth.
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Old 03-03-2018, 11:04 PM
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Oh no! You mean all these people who have such a Bible at home have been deceived and that the Bible isn't God's Word. Well, that's a turn up for the books.

Apparently and although all-knowing, God didn't somehow manage to get the Bible translated correctly into English.

I'm pleased really. Should it happen that I'll meet my maker I'll have a jolly good excuse.

A simple error like a capitol G GOD in the last line of John 1:1--misleading 2 billion into serving a non existent God, making them break Gods #1 commandment daily. A small g god belongs--meaning. Has godlike qualities-Why? Because God did it all through Jesus Acts 2:22)
Any who believe Jesus teachings over dogma teachings knows the Father is the only true God( John 17:3- John 5:30)- 1Cor 8:6-John 4:22-24
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Old 03-03-2018, 11:07 PM
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Absolutely! You really hit the nail on the head with this one. This is so true. There are so many that will not find their entrance into God's kingdom... Because they will stand outside of the door thinking they will be punished, and judged, and cast into a fiery lake for all eternity.. Without realizing the truth of it all. That NONE of that will ever happen. For all and everyone are welcome back into the kingdom. Those who truly know GOD already know this truth. The rest, will learn it.. In time. They will see the truth of it all.


The lake of fire = the second death. There is no life in death. God set before all-- Life or Death( Deut 30:19) both will be everlasting.
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Old 03-03-2018, 11:33 PM
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Jesus spoke of obeying the law in word and in spirit (heart) and he also demonstrated a solid and grounded observance of the law which already mandated compassion and inclusion of the poor, the marginalised, and the vulnerable in ongoing, concrete, tangible ways. He included all of these folks in his social circles and affirmed their humanity, their worth, and their equality with others in all things -- during his daily work with meaningful, personal interaction and assistance. It is very clear that whilst he pointed out the iniquities in those with whom he interacted, it was whilst also seeing their humanity and doing what he could to aid them constructively.

However, it's also clear his greatest criticism was reserved for 1) Rome as an invading, oppressive ruling force, whose cruelty and barbarism was legendary and well-known... and 2) the hypocrisy of the men in his own culture who were doing the bare minimum the law required and purely for their own edification and not for the benefit of the humanity and needs of others in their community.

Jesus spoke of authentic love, making the law real and of the duties of the heart (doing the work with love and presence), and of the critical place of ownership (for integrity and freedom from hypocrisy) and autonomy (freedom from oppression).

And above all, he spoke of and showed us what authentic love means in interbeing with one another. Of the truth and rightness of the spiritual and social equality of all. Of the equal worth of all, regardless of distinctions and overlays of human making, designed to divide, control, and oppress.

What Christians call Hell is IMO a very real (metaphysically) absence of love and light. It's where one lives when they consistently and consciously turn away from love and light in each moment, and in every intent, thought, word, and deed. As CS Lewis said, the gates of Hell are locked from the inside...you yourself must have the intention and driving desire to free your own heart and mind, your own soul, from the place of denial of what is (Hell), which is in truth a reality of love and responsibility and interbeing.

It's difficult for stubborn humanity to begin the turning-toward-Source (or, turning toward our centre) process for many, because it requires humility and ownership and recognition of the need to make changes and take consciously different decisions in one's life. But that's the selfsame journey of all humanity, and everyone comes to that very same bridge over the great divide (in what we might call spiritual maturity) in their own time.

I'm not a Christian, but I have great respect for the mystic of Nazareth and his ways and insights.
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Old 03-03-2018, 11:38 PM
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In the whole old testament God has ALWAYS been an angry, murderous, vengeful and bloodthirsty wargod. He even bullies people without need such as hardening the heart of the Pharaoh just so he has an excuse to pour down his 9 plagues over Egypt. Or having a man killed for simply chopping some wood on the sabbath day (like wow... that really sounds like a crime punishable with death isn't it?) And then all of a sudden in the new testament he has a change of heart and shows his softer side. Does God even understand how difficult it is for people to accept him or his love after everything we've read about him in te old testament? God's personality and behavior in the old testament is strikingly familiar to North Korea's Kim Jong Un, and funny enough he too claims to love his country and people while clearly he does not. So tell me, how is God any different from a tyrant?

Slayer I think it's possible to see a distinction between how God appears to be and how he actually is. Scripture is tied up in ancient theology, cultural contexts, times we can't relate to. But it can't be changed
What matters is how people emphasise and choose to interpret it, to present to the world God's nature through their life, and whether it does good or bad
Then you see God's nature depends a lot on the person and their relationship with God
There are a lot of differences too, way more variety than if you limited yourself to scripture that you're reading yourself and seeing only your own view of his nature (like seeing only Kim Jong)
So there's a whole world of different conceptions of God's nature,
This might look crazy when you read the OT, but if there is a God his nature can't be stopped from being revealed every moment and some people are going to get it right more than others!
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:34 AM
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@Morpheus you are a funny man. You might not understand consciousness, and how it settles around belief in a very physical tangible way. Even so that one could write a fictional tale that becomes such a belief that they thousands of years later find validity to it. Yet you are very funny; but please don't pretend you understand and listens to this

And you?
We both know who you are, "Melahin". You're the fraud.

Meanwhile, what I posted you is objective, clear and concise.
Your response, subjective and patently ridiculous.
Borne of disaffection.
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Old 04-03-2018, 07:57 AM
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A simple error like a capitol G GOD in the last line of John 1:1--misleading 2 billion into serving a non existent God, making them break Gods #1 commandment daily. A small g god belongs--meaning. Has godlike qualities-Why? Because God did it all through Jesus Acts 2:22)
Any who believe Jesus teachings over dogma teachings knows the Father is the only true God( John 17:3- John 5:30)- 1Cor 8:6-John 4:22-24


Same thing. A God (god) who can't watch over a simple translation - for the sake of humanity (apparently). Too busy watching what we are and have been doing probably. Still, two thousand years are a long time, we musn't expect miracles.
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:09 AM
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The lake of fire = the second death. There is no life in death. God set before all-- Life or Death( Deut 30:19) both will be everlasting.



'There is no life in death'
You can't have one without the other can you? Without life no death, without death no life....
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Old 04-03-2018, 09:09 AM
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Slayer I think it's possible to see a distinction between how God appears to be and how he actually is. Scripture is tied up in ancient theology, cultural contexts, times we can't relate to.

Well god wrote his own bible and willingly chose to manifest himself in the OT as a totalitarian and murderous tyrant who demands people to be killed for the smallest things, therefore he shouldn't be so surprised when we don't like what we read about him. By the way, just because the OT was written back in times we don't relate to doesn't make everything more excusable.
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Old 04-03-2018, 10:28 AM
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The bible teaches--144,000 are promised heaven-Rev 14:3--The great multitude will inherit the earth. Matt 5:5
Yes its a gift no matter who gets it. But certain practiced sins one will not enter Gods kingdom it says.-1Corinthians 6:9-11--Galations 5:19-21 added to false god worship and pagan practices off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) = 99% on earth.



' The bible teaches--144,000 are promised heaven '

These prediction have always puzzled me since childhood, can you explain please...
who will be counting the lucky ones?

I prefer the ' Kingdom of heaven is within ' no need for calculating then.
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