Are we making a mockery of Saturday..?

Originally Posted by Altair

Saturday is the 6th (or 7th) day of the week. It is named after Saturnus, god of renewal, agriculture, and liberation. His Greek equivalent is Cronus. In Hindu polytheism they refer to this planet as Shani. He is the god of hard work, discipline, and asceticism. In both cases we see a male god who is associated with mastery over things..

Most people however associate Saturdays with partying, getting drunk, and definitely not with discipline, mastery over the senses, and asceticism..

Interesting bit. Maybe we need to think more carefully what we all do on this day so we get better in tune with the rhythm of our solar system..

Well, I have to say on this one I have to align myself with the cool ocean breeze. Especially since I just happen to be enjoying a cold IPA as I write this post. It’s ok though, it is still Friday night here. Personally, my brain can get to be a really annoying counterpart, so I don’t mind dumbing it down a bit once in a while. Pretty much all states of consciousness are altered states, and this particular one can be rather relaxing and pleasant. Of course the universe will balance the books tomorrow, so I have learned as I got older to only run up as much debt as I am willing to pay off the next day, and the interest on that debt seems to get a bit steeper every year, so my payday loans have gotten smaller and smaller.
If you are young and want to party and don’t plan to get behind the wheel, go for it. If you are older and want to enjoy a drink by the fire then do that. If drink is not your thing and you would rather go for a bike ride, then do that, and I suppose if self discipline and self denial is your thing then do that. Anything can of course be overdone, but I don’t really see the value in abstaining from anything in the life experience just for the sake of absentia. Discipline of the body and mind have their place and their benefits, but they also have their limitations. And as far as holidays go, personally, for all I care, Santa can spend the rest of the year sipping strawberry daiquiris on some tropical beach. But come December 24th, I don’t want to be told his cubby butt won’t be streaking across the sky in a sleigh pulled by a team of caribou lead by one with a bright red nose. Oh yeah, and on October 31st, the dead will be walking the earth craving my brains like a college student on spring break caraves booze soaked watermelon. There are plenty of other days in the calendar to discipline my mind, on holidays it gets the day off.
This God of discipline and hard work gets his due throughout the rest of the week, so I think it's fine if we want to kick back a bit on the weekends and flick him the bird. I don't blame anybody if they don't want to worship this guy anymore. Look at Yahweh, on Sunday all that is expected is a few our fathers, maybe a hail mary or two, and perhaps even an apostles creed, and ya even get a bite of bread and sip wine for it. Then you get to spend the rest of the day eating pot roasts, pitching horseshoes, or just napping in the hammock. Shani who? Don’t believe I know him, but check back with me on Monday, I’ll think about it then, I am relaxing right now.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by ocean breeze

I know you feel this way. You've mentioned that already. Its good you are discipline in spiritual practices. If its enhances your life, awesome. Stay discipline. Not everyone cares for that though. I enjoy celebrating ignorance myself. I celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving, and New Years Eve with my family.

The ignorance is not in having a good time with people, it's in the activities that harm the body..

@Sapphirez: I don't see any value whatsoever in alcoholic drinks. It kills off good bacteria, it smells, and it makes people stupid and dangerous. I don't believe in how people bring forth ''moderation in all things'', because it carries the wrong conclusion. We either try to improve or we don't, and that JOURNEY is necessarily the grey area, because we improve step by step.. it's not the DESTINATION itself that is the grey area. I have seen so many people confused over just that little but very important detail!

@Ketzer: You seem to be missing the point here. It's just a fun detail about the days we named and a misalignment..
Take it as you wish. In any case I'm not going to debate about Halloween or Santa.. LOL..

Originally Posted by Altair

@Ketzer: You seem to be missing the point here. It's just a fun detail about the days we named and a misalignment..
Take it as you wish. In any case I'm not going to debate about Halloween or Santa.. LOL..

Oh, IDK, I thought I had about as much fun with that detail as I could with a keyboard. Good move not to argue with me about Halloween or Santa. Don't be messin with the Easter Bunny, Leprechauns (they are not as nasty as hollywood portrays them ya know), or saxophone playing crawfish on Fat Tuesday either.

"Tuesday comes from Tiu, or Tiw, the Anglo-Saxon name for Tyr, the Norse god of war"

And there we have it. I think we are supposed to all go to war on Tuesdays.
IDK, maybe we could have Tuesday night football instead?
Look at that! Another excuse to sit around drinkin beer and eating pizza in front of the tube. This Tiu, Tiw, Tyr, or whatever ya what to call him is a cool dude, he is going to give Yahweh a run for his money.

[edithaint]

Originally Posted by ketzer

Oh, IDK, I thought I had about as much fun with that detail as I could with a keyboard. Good move not to argue with me about Halloween or Santa. Don't be messin with the Easter Bunny, Leprechauns (they are not as nasty as hollywood portrays them ya know), or saxophone playing crawfish on Fat Tuesday either.

"Tuesday comes from Tiu, or Tiw, the Anglo-Saxon name for Tyr, the Norse god of war"

And there we have it. I think we are supposed to all go to war on Tuesdays.
IDK, maybe we could have Tuesday night football instead?
Look at that! Another excuse to sit around drinkin beer and eating pizza in front of the tube. This Tiu, Tiw, Tyr, or whatever ya what to call him is a cool dude, he is going to give Yahweh a run for his money.

Actually, that is a darn-tootin' grand idea! And then, not only would Tuesday be Trash Eve in my household, but also the weekly Day Of War! Yes!

I agree with the premise of self-discipline, but what is good for you is not good for everyone. What is bad for you is not bad for everyone. Even if something (like drinking alcohol) clearly seems bad to us, we puny humans simply cannot prove that no good at all might result from such an action. Someone somewhere will benefit despite whatever cost, even if only because the drunkard drops dead.

Besides, various traditions around the world assign different meanings to each day of the week. The Norse, Greek, and Roman gods should not rule you unless you are Norse, Greek, or Roman. Or you feel a very strong and genuine draw to those particular spiritual paths.

[edithaint]

Originally Posted by ketzer

Oh, IDK, I thought I had about as much fun with that detail as I could with a keyboard. Good move not to argue with me about Halloween or Santa. Don't be messin with the Easter Bunny, Leprechauns (they are not as nasty as hollywood portrays them ya know), or saxophone playing crawfish on Fat Tuesday either.

"Tuesday comes from Tiu, or Tiw, the Anglo-Saxon name for Tyr, the Norse god of war"

And there we have it. I think we are supposed to all go to war on Tuesdays.
IDK, maybe we could have Tuesday night football instead?
Look at that! Another excuse to sit around drinkin beer and eating pizza in front of the tube. This Tiu, Tiw, Tyr, or whatever ya what to call him is a cool dude, he is going to give Yahweh a run for his money.

Actually, that is a darn-tootin' grand idea! And then, not only would Tuesday be Trash Eve in my household, but also the weekly Day Of War! Yes!

I agree with the premise of self-discipline, but what is good for you is not good for everyone. What is bad for you is not bad for everyone. Even if something (like drinking alcohol) clearly seems bad to us, we puny humans simply cannot prove that no good at all might result from
such a psychoactive substance. Someone somewhere will benefit, even if only because the drunkard drops dead.

[Sapphirez]

Originally Posted by Altair

@Sapphirez: I don't see any value whatsoever in alcoholic drinks. It kills off good bacteria, it smells, and it makes people stupid and dangerous. I don't believe in how people bring forth ''moderation in all things'', because it carries the wrong conclusion. We either try to improve or we don't, and that JOURNEY is necessarily the grey area, because we improve step by step.. it's not the DESTINATION itself that is the grey area. I have seen so many people confused over just that little but very important detail!

I am not disagreeing with you, essentially I think alcohol is evil and I connote evil with unconsciousness, which is essentially the appeal of alcohol. I tried to reiterate that I think of alcohol as a misguided crutch which just makes the injury it's intended to remedy worse off. But to play devil's advocate I am curious what exactly alcohol does to make one feel like things are ok or they're able to let loose and act more free. to an extent. As ketzer said when I decided to drink alcohol again after several years of abstaining from it, my intention was to numb my mental activity.. but I was trying to say that if I were doing what I know I should and truly want to, then I would be able to control my mind for real and not have to worry about overwhelming thoughts and worries and whatnot. Most use alcohol for that purpose but it ultimately creates a more toxic uneasy state which invites more unwanted activity and feelings we feel unable to control. but it seems easier to just drink than to actually put forth the effort to live according to higher purposes and honoring your self and life, especially in modern mainstream culture and society which heralds toxins.. well perhaps you didn't misconstrue what I said about alcohol being detrimental and just wanted to elaborate with your thoughts about it further. I also am not a fan of the "in moderation" adage or excuse to harm oneself, even a little bit.
I have to admit that I do clearly see how alcohol paves a way for some people to sometimes become more open and interact with each other more bravely, or escape consuming mental states temporarily, which can be positive, but the negative effects outweigh that and without actually fixing the reasons we feel inhibited or consumed, the substance used to interrupt these processes are just basically bandaids laced with super glue that infects and infests even more only creating deeper wounds that one seeks to foolishly resolve with more poison and destructive bandaids. sorry that analogy isn't great lol

[edithaint]

We cannot live through life without harming ourselves and others. There is no truly safe, healthy, moral, or ethical choice. Only the who, what, when, where, why, and how. The "in moderation" excuse is no excuse, because we simply cannot avoid harming ourselves at least a little bit. Any excuse is rather moot.

[ocean breeze]

Originally Posted by Altair

The ignorance is not in having a good time with people, it's in the activities that harm the body..

Correct. And drinking and partying is only harmful if you exceed your body's tolerant level.

The "in moderation" isn't a guarantee that no harm will be done. Rather a common sense approach to avoid overdoing something that may cause addiction and dramatically increase the chances of harm done to you. I do agree that everyone is different with different tolerance levels and needs to be responsible enough to know what works best for them.

[Sapphirez]

ocean breeze the reality is that alcohol is literally a poison to the body and damages the liver as well as the kidneys and pretty much all of the organs and entire body, and brain, because they're all connected working intricately together. it is true that the human body is designed to heal itself, but poison is poison and nobody fares well with even a little bit of alcohol because it is a damaging and toxic substance. there isn't philosophy to negate that fact

edithaint there are a lot of ways to live healthfully and create more livelihood and vitality than is accidentally destroyed.. what comes to mind is how our walking on the ground ends up killing bugs, and probably microorganisms and such.. but that also makes me think that walking on the ground barefoot is extremely healthy and would end up killing less bugs, and plantlife, than walking in rubber sole sneakers or boots would.. not sure if you're thinking on that level but I don't really think it's impossible to live a relatively harmless life and we do have the most control on how or whether or not we harm ourselves.. it's often a matter of nescience but it's part of our responsibility here to seek and find answers so we can live better for ourselves and those around us

[ocean breeze]

Stress and overworking is far more toxic to the body than drinking from time to time. The health of a responsible person who drinks on occasions shouldn't be of concern health wise.

Its pretty hard to distinguish what really is or isn't toxic anymore. It is said that even our water and air is toxic by some. And in my opinion, the stress of constantly worrying about this is far more toxic.