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Old 17-11-2019, 08:25 AM
EdmundJohnstone EdmundJohnstone is offline
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I am not trying to prove anyone wrong, and not belittleling anyone.

I am open minded but I like to filtrate information. What is a soul ? Where is it located? If soul=consciousness and consciousness is not local, where is it? How is it attached to our physical body? Now to all those questions anyone can say anything about it, such as silver cord.

I don't regard myself as a complete skeptic trying to prove anyone wrong, I regard myself as an open minded-skeptic, looking for credible answers (and yes I know person has his/her own reality, as the truth is relative to one's agenda)

To be honest, the most compelling theory for me is the one postulated by Penrose and Hameroff that consciousness might reside in the microtubules, or that consciousness might be quantum entangled with within the brain's consciousness, but those are just theories. I also consider a possibility of what the UVA Board has been researching on, however there is just subjective experience unfortunately.

You see, I want to believe, but I don't have the proof, and the worst thing is that everything can be reduced to hallucination.

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There are many video's on you tube that I could produce that give evidence of the Afterlife,but i'm bored and totally fed up with your point of view,so I will leave you to stew in your own thoughts on trying to prove us all wrong.(you're fighting a losing battle here my friend).Eventually we will all find out the truth.Goodbye and namaste.
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Old 17-11-2019, 11:42 AM
hazada guess hazada guess is offline
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Try the Pineal gland in the Brain.
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Old 17-11-2019, 06:21 PM
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You see, I want to believe, but I don't have the proof, and the worst thing is that everything can be reduced to hallucination.

It seems as if direct experience is the only proof which might satisfy you. It is obviously difficult to plan a near-death experience. So why not dedicate yourself to the study and practice of astral projection? If you can consciously project your consciousness out of the body then that might show you whether consciousness can exist outside the physical brain.

This will require persistence. But you often say how much you want proof, so presumably you will consider the effort worthwhile. If you have direct experience then you can stop relying on the theories of other people. If you are not willing to make the effort then perhaps your desire for proof is not that strong.

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Old 17-11-2019, 06:31 PM
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Unfortunately, this is how Spirituality appears to Science, and that's why it probably gets ridiculed.

It also shows how science appears to spirituality - ie science is very limited in its thinking and unable to answer the deeper questions of life.

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Old 18-11-2019, 06:49 AM
Spiritual Mike Spiritual Mike is offline
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I was hoping this Spiritual Forum might be a 'safe space' and we didn't really have to deal with people who are of the view that all spiritual experiences and phenomena are bunk, since that is the kind of discussions you may expect to see in a more open forum like on YouTube or Facebook and even though I haven't had any of those discussions for years, I didn't enjoy them much back in the day.

However I will say that I have observed that not all scientists are in agreement with the skeptics and some even characterise the aggressive skeptical way of thinking as pseudo skepticism and even as 'Scientism'. Skeptics are typically not thinking scientifically, just making the assumption that the dominant scientific paradigm explains everything and there many of us who disagree with that.
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Old 21-11-2019, 05:15 PM
George-Ananda George-Ananda is offline
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Hi
I am not trying to prove anyone wrong, and not belittleling anyone.

I am open minded but I like to filtrate information. What is a soul ? Where is it located? If soul=consciousness and consciousness is not local, where is it? How is it attached to our physical body? Now to all those questions anyone can say anything about it, such as silver cord.

I don't regard myself as a complete skeptic trying to prove anyone wrong, I regard myself as an open minded-skeptic, looking for credible answers (and yes I know person has his/her own reality, as the truth is relative to one's agenda)

To be honest, the most compelling theory for me is the one postulated by Penrose and Hameroff that consciousness might reside in the microtubules, or that consciousness might be quantum entangled with within the brain's consciousness, but those are just theories. I also consider a possibility of what the UVA Board has been researching on, however there is just subjective experience unfortunately.

You see, I want to believe, but I don't have the proof, and the worst thing is that everything can be reduced to hallucination.

Edmund, what I believe to be the key missing link in your bridge between the physical and spiritual is the existence of additional dimensions beyond the three our physical senses directly detect. Amazing spiritual realms of reality exist in these higher dimensions.

We are actually a physical body with interpenetrating physical, etheric, astral and mental bodies. Only the physical body is directly detectable by the physical senses. At death the super-physical bodies continue without the physical body and you may not at first even realize you dropped the physical body (as is often reported in Near Death Experiences).
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Old 26-11-2019, 10:53 PM
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Yes and yes.
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