anyone ever experienced oneness?

Originally Posted by arive nan

I have had this experience. But I would not say that everyone is not real. That is not how I would put it. Things/people/etc exist... but the way they seem to exist while in a dual state of awareness is very different from the way they seem to exist in the nondual state of awareness.

In the nondual/oneness state of awareness, the separations between people and objects that normally seemed so real your whole life suddenly seem like an illusion. The separation is what doesn't seem real anymore. We are all different parts, POVs, sets of memories, and etc. of the same being. That one being has consciousness. The individuals that are part of it have consciousness and individual POVs, but their consciousness is part of the consciousness of the one being we are all a part of. Individuals can change or expand their awareness until they experience that one being consciousness and then retain some memory of the experience. And then they can go on with their lives as individuals with individual POVs, but with the memory that the world/reality is not really as it seems to be. Generally, this is a positive thing that helps people to cope with life's difficulties and discover more insights and etc.

During the experience itself, most people find it feels very blissful. Many feel that this oneness is full of a feeling that seems like a unique kind of love. At least, of all the human feelings that we can look to for comparison, the feeling that we know of as "love" comes the closest. But it is not precisely the same thing, because it is all encompassing. During this awareness of being one with everything and awareness of an all encompassing love within this everything, that includes the stuff that in a "normal" dual state of awareness is considered bad, very bad, evil, and etc. It doesn't mean that the individual now loves things that are generally considered horribly evil. It just means that this is a different kind of love. You can still be able to recognise after the experience that some things are very unhealthy/immoral from a human perspective and respond to them accordingly.

Very good points here.....in actual fact love can be also denoted as loving to hate or kill, some people who go out to kill love it just as much as I love life or my wife, it's the same emotion with a different perspective but it's just as real as any other emotion.

So what's real? Everything I consciously recognize as being in existence.

Love
Mathew

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Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings,,

Hi arive nan: The highlighted portion of your post is really nicely stated, and is very similar to my own experience and understanding.. in contrast to the 'feeling' being one of 'love', though.. i can best describe the feeling as immeasurable exhilaration and elation, awe and wonder.. the urge to explode into the 'whole' of it, and the trepidation of leaving physical Life 'unfinished', as it would be easy 'let go' into the whole.. i experience this feeling at the 'gate', at the transition from predominantly physical awareness to awareness as the 'whole'.. the sudden surge of a universe of sensations, a symphony of individual vibrations combining into a deep resonant tangible 'sound', or.. possibly realizing a 'source' vibration, Om or Aum as the Hindu Ancients understood it, a 'source' from which all that is, 'is'.. The Origin.

Sure, i could use 'love' or 'bliss', or some other 'word' as shorthand for this amazing experience, but.. i find it very useful to use the richness of language to express the depth and scope of this experience.. i am surprised at how willing people are to reduce the expansiveness into shorthand references, but that's just my personal whim..

Then, there is the shift into a soft ecstasy, when i, as the 'whole', find the space between the manifestations of my 'isness' and feel that space expand beyond what 'is', and into what 'is'.. here, 'we' are actually Whole, feeling all that ever has been unfolding into what 'is' through the miracle of 'experience', where we return to the individual manifestation of our Wholeness, ecstatically aware of the Whole in every singular manifestation of its Wholeness..

Well heck, i had no idea i would choose this time to reveal this much, but.. there you have it.. thanks for the inspiration..

Be well..

if you have wholeness experience why is it that your personal whim has always to be clarity versus love, clarity versus bliss, clarity versus no self.

isn't "what is" supposed to be all inclusive? just curious

[Xan]

Bob: in contrast to the 'feeling' being one of 'love', though.. i can best describe the feeling as immeasurable exhilaration and elation, awe and wonder.. the urge to explode into the 'whole' of it, and the trepidation of leaving physical Life 'unfinished', as it would be easy 'let go' into the whole.. i experience this feeling at the 'gate', at the transition from predominantly physical awareness to awareness as the 'whole'.. the sudden surge of a universe of sensations, a symphony of individual vibrations combining into a deep resonant tangible 'sound', or.. possibly realizing a 'source' vibration, Om or Aum as the Hindu Ancients understood it, a 'source' from which all that is, 'is'.. The Origin.


Yep... that's a glimpse, a beginning.

Just keep going.


Xan

Greetings..

Originally Posted by Xan

Bob: in contrast to the 'feeling' being one of 'love', though.. i can best describe the feeling as immeasurable exhilaration and elation, awe and wonder.. the urge to explode into the 'whole' of it, and the trepidation of leaving physical Life 'unfinished', as it would be easy 'let go' into the whole.. i experience this feeling at the 'gate', at the transition from predominantly physical awareness to awareness as the 'whole'.. the sudden surge of a universe of sensations, a symphony of individual vibrations combining into a deep resonant tangible 'sound', or.. possibly realizing a 'source' vibration, Om or Aum as the Hindu Ancients understood it, a 'source' from which all that is, 'is'.. The Origin.


Yep... that's a glimpse, a beginning.

Just keep going.


Xan

Hi Xan: Since you have demonstrated an interest in my post, would you like have a discussion, rather than assuming i haven't 'kept going'?.. Where do you believe i should "keep going" to? Did you read the whole post from which you quoted?

Would you like to discuss why you believe the experience i described is a "glimpse, a beginning"?

Be well..

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..

Hi Xan: Since you have demonstrated an interest in my post, would you like have a discussion, rather than assuming i haven't 'kept going'?.. Where do you believe i should "keep going" to? Did you read the whole post from which you quoted?

Would you like to discuss why you believe the experience i described is a "glimpse, a beginning"?

Be well..

I know your not asking me..but a question arose as I read the words Xan posted...her words had me looking a little closer at your words once more..

In that space you mentioned about letting go into the whole..and the trepidation of leaving this physical life unfinished...my immeditate response to reading those words came as........"but dont we surrender fully to the whole"....to live fully as "the whole" in this reality....what you describe feels to me almost like you are aware at the void..experience all those amazing sensations etc...but see entering it as leaving this physical existence..where as I see it as when we enter it...we simply live in this reality with the source/all that is in us.....as one with all the awareness you experience...

Greetings..

Originally Posted by silent whisper

I know your not asking me..but a question arose as I read the words Xan posted...her words had me looking a little closer at your words once more..

In that space you mentioned about letting go into the whole..and the trepidation of leaving this physical life unfinished...my immeditate response to reading those words came as........"but dont we surrender fully to the whole"....to live fully as "the whole" in this reality....what you describe feels to me almost like you are aware at the void..experience all those amazing sensations etc...but see entering it as leaving this physical existence..where as I see it as when we enter it...we simply live in this reality with the source/all that is in us.....as one with all the awareness you experience...

Hi SW: Read my words again.. the answer is no, we don't "surrender fully to the whole".. we continually return to the physical perspective and operate from it.. when you are experiencing the'Whole', you realize the choice to 'let go' of the physical experience and remain fully in the 'Whole'.. i choose a balance, tangible and intangible, some people choose to ignore or reject their intangible/non-local experience, focusing on their physical experience,and others.. they choose to focus on their intangible/non-local existence, denouncing the physical experience as an 'illusion', but.. everyone will experience their 'wholeness' when the flesh fails..

Yes, the physical experience, individuality, is fully integrated and a necessary 'Part' of the greater 'Whole'.. my words express the feeling i had, standing at the threshold of the 'Whole' experience.. the 'experience' is different from 'fully surrendering', as that leaves the flesh behind.. 'fully surrendering' is the story used to embellish the experience, 'as if' the experiencer had actually 'let go' of the physical.. but, as long as consciousness returns to the physical experience, it is attached in some nearly indistinguishable way, not quite 'fully surrendered'.. anyone who has directly experienced the Whole will understand these words..

Be well..

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..

Hi SW: Read my words again.. the answer is no, we don't "surrender fully to the whole".. we continually return to the physical perspective and operate from it.. when you are experiencing the'Whole', you realize the choice to 'let go' of the physical experience and remain fully in the 'Whole'.. i choose a balance, tangible and intangible, some people choose to ignore or reject their intangible/non-local experience, focusing on their physical experience,and others.. they choose to focus on their intangible/non-local existence, denouncing the physical experience as an 'illusion', but.. everyone will experience their 'wholeness' when the flesh fails..

Yes, the physical experience, individuality, is fully integrated and a necessary 'Part' of the greater 'Whole'.. my words express the feeling i had, standing at the threshold of the 'Whole' experience.. the 'experience' is different from 'fully surrendering', as that leaves the flesh behind.. 'fully surrendering' is the story used to embellish the experience, 'as if' the experiencer had actually 'let go' of the physical.. but, as long as consciousness returns to the physical experience, it is attached in some nearly indistinguishable way, not quite 'fully surrendered'.. anyone who has directly experienced the Whole will understand these words..

Be well..

OK so you see it in the way..as long as flesh returns...we cannot experience our own "wholeness"...I guess I see we can experience our own wholeness regardless of the physical vessel...What about someone who fully surrenders to leaving the flesh behind..but is given a second chance...to live fully integrated in their wholeness one with the whole... in the physical existence....Do you feel that is possible?

I know your speaking from direct experience of the whole..I understand that space....when you stood at the threshold..may I ask if you were asked to surrender to death itself in that space? As in a full surrender to spirit..into that unknown space of whether you would live or leave..I understand if you wish to not answer...

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by ThoughtBroadcaster

i am working with a guru but i want to know if it is true that everyone is not real? that they are just reflections of myself? in a way i fear going into oneness because i will be all alone and that there will be no other. i hope someone will be able to tell me this is not true. i know now why people say ignorance is bliss.

Its not true.

Greetings..

Originally Posted by silent whisper

OK so you see it in the way..as long as flesh returns...we cannot experience our own "wholeness"...I guess I see we can experience our own wholeness regardless of the physical vessel...What about someone who fully surrenders to leaving the flesh behind..but is given a second chance...to live fully integrated in their wholeness one with the whole... in the physical existence....Do you feel that is possible?

I know your speaking from direct experience of the whole..I understand that space....when you stood at the threshold..may I ask if you were asked to surrender to death itself in that space? As in a full surrender to spirit..into that unknown space of whether you would live or leave..I understand if you wish to not answer...

No, there is not an asking.. there is a 'knowing'. But, that's not the issue, the issue is what someone means when they use the phrase 'surrender fully'.. most will try to preserve the attachment to their temporal physical experience, i do not.. and yet, i also know the 'Part' is no less than the 'Whole', and.. it is clear that experience from the collective whole perspective, as it is when the individual reference is absent, is not possible until that reference is 'absent'..

Be well..

This Oneness seems dependent on acceptance and even integration of all of everything.