So if there is an afterlife...

So if there is an afterlife who created the universe, if god created the universe then who created god? Who even thought up the idea of having a universe? Even the physical view has no answer because what even cause the universe is there was nothing to begin with?

Also if the universe is infinite wouldn't that mean there's the exact same copy of the earth with every single thing the same because of the amount of combinations in infinity would make make the possibility of having the exact same thing 100%

Just been over thinking again!

[Simon_Templar]

where did man see god if its not in nature where even the smartest things are animals

[Albalida]

Originally Posted by xxxElQueenxxx

So if there is an afterlife who created the universe, if god created the universe then who created god? Who even thought up the idea of having a universe? Even the physical view has no answer because what even cause the universe is there was nothing to begin with?

Also if the universe is infinite wouldn't that mean there's the exact same copy of the earth with every single thing the same because of the amount of combinations in infinity would make make the possibility of having the exact same thing 100%

Just been over thinking again!

These are interesting ideas, but I don't see how they follow.

How does an afterlife confer creation?
Why would a creator have to have been created?
Why must a universe have been thought up in order to exist?
Why can't existence always have been?
Why wouldn't uniqueness and infinity be compatible?

From what I understand of it, the physical view was that our universe and reality had a beginning...only because scientists who watch it carefully notice that it changes. So, these scientists backtracked to find out what it was like a long time ago, because this was an interesting thing to observe, and they combined those observations with reasoning to find that there was a point that everything began.

Before this search, it was taken for granted that "creation myths" were a human folklore thing: a way to reinforce parental social power, perhaps. But the universe--existence--had always existed, or so we thought.

So, presently the idea is that branes (like sheets of reality) float about and crash into each other. Whenever they crash and stick together, they create a universe. That's just a metaphor. As of now, there's no reason to believe that these branes were created--the branes could always have been there.

This could, of course, change in the future, but there's no cause to jump to the conclusion that branes that make universe-creating big bangs have a big brane bang of their own. It might just be our own bias, because we're familiar and comfortable with beginnings, like the concept of being born definitely applies to us. This doesn't mean that it must apply to everything else.

Hi,
This is an interesting subject, I tend to think of this in a different way. With the theory of 'relative time' being that it's relative to the observer and if Einstein is correct that if we could reach the speed of light our mass would become infinite and time would stop. It would be reasonable to surmise that if we could come to a complete stop within our universe so that even gravity has no effect then our relative time would be infinite and our mass would be zero.
This might be our true state of being and linear time is a creation. Think of it like this, everything exists everywhere at the same moment then within this a conscious act creates a Big Freeze not a Big Bang within infinity. So when we look at empty space this has the largest amount of filters between us and infinity,when we see mass or energy this is an area that has a reduced amount of filters in different combinations to give the illusion of what ever it is. So the sun for example is an expression of less filters again giving us a blurred vision into infinity. That is why when the mass and energy in an area of space gets large enough(or in other words enough filters are removed) it can punch a hole back to infinity (Black Hole) which is where all our consciousness actually exists.

[linen53]

My finite mind cannot comprehend infinity or god things.

[Tobi]

Originally Posted by Simon_Templar

where did man see god if its not in nature where even the smartest things are animals

Some animals are actually in advance of humans -spiritually (not intellectually) The reason they can be thus, is because they are not fettered by many self-created complications as we sometimes are, which can block our light. Many of them are also capable of quite pure levels of unconditional love, which is probably the highest vibration possible.

[Stevo]

¤ Everything and nothing, now.
(Nothing and all potentials manifested / manifesting exist in an eternal nowness. So there can't be a beginning or a god who started it all)

Infinite multidimensional universes all existing side by side at the same moment are hard to comprehend from a brain taught to see from linear perspective!

I think we are all gods, an infinite number of creator gods. I'm a lost and confused god slowly regaining my understanding of who I am behind this fleshy robot.

The one thing that can exist in infinity is consciousness which is my point. Only consciousness is reality, the universe is a manifestation created by our thought for us to exist in a linear time environment.

[Avadar]

Originally Posted by xxxElQueenxxx

So if there is an afterlife who created the universe, if god created the universe then who created god? Who even thought up the idea of having a universe? Even the physical view has no answer because what even cause the universe is there was nothing to begin with?

Also if the universe is infinite wouldn't that mean there's the exact same copy of the earth with every single thing the same because of the amount of combinations in infinity would make make the possibility of having the exact same thing 100%

Just been over thinking again!

You are grappling age-old questions about concepts that are not easy to understand, much less explain.

I can offer what I have been given over the course of many years from seven plane white-energy spirits or discarnate Saints. The answers may not be comforting but they are sound and logical.

So if there is an afterlife who created the universe?

The Deists come the closest in answering this question accurately in their assertion that the Universe was started and then left alone to run on its own. To extrapolate on their understanding, there is a non-living higher power that predates everything and everyone; it is often referred to as The Light or The Light of God or The Breath of God. This Light is what enables reality to emerge from nothingness in linear time. Without The Light there can be no planets, stars, souls, or an Original Creator to use The Light to manifest The Big Bang.

After The Original Creator manifested The Big Bang, the Godhead was willfully and irrevocably divided up into trillions of basically spiritual spirits. That is the true meaning when traditional ministers preach that a piece of God is within each of us.

In this timeline we are what is left of The Original Creator.

If god created the universe then who created god?

No one created The Original Creator, who was vast but finite just as the Universe is vast but finite.

(No one can evolve into infinity but one can come to embrace degrees of spiritual excellence.)

The Original Creator emerged through His own probable existence, slowly, arduously emerging in The Light; first as a primitive soul who was barely aware, then as a basically spiritual soul, then as a discarnate Saint, then as a God Realized Master, then as a rarefied Space God, with The Light as His only guide. Largely through trial and error in becoming more spiritually evolved, The Original Creator slowly came into being.

Who even thought up the idea of having a universe?

The Original Creator thought it up. His long-term genuis has not yet been realized. Before His division into trillions of yellow-energy angels (all souls in the beginning), He knew that someday lesser gods would emerge in The Light. When that happened He knew that they would seek Him out by entering a paralell timeline to their own and enabling Him to enter their space-time continuum - when He was at his spiritual zenith before dividing up the Godhead billions of years ago.

Time travel. It can only be accomplished through spiritual means (i.e., with The Light) because nothing in the Universe can be made to go faster than the speed of physical light, wormholes and black holes notwithstanding. Moreover, time travel can only be done in a parallel timeline to this one. Our own past cannot be changed one iota.

The Original Creator's long-term genuis is to emerge in a Universe that is teeming with humanoid civilizations. As it has come to be...this one. He cannot do it on His own because our reality is only one of many possible futures from His perspective billions of years ago. But if He is helped by future Ascended lesser gods He can indeed enter our reality and The First Coming will be realized.

However, The Original Creator is not the Islamic god, Hindu god, Pagan god, Jewish god, or the Christian god, but a true extraterrestial Space God with His own agenda, inherently nobler than any god icon in any traditional religion - and with far more spiritual/telekientic power than any prophet or major religious figure in history - including Jesus/Issa/Yuz Asaf.

The power to create billions of galaxies translates into the power to heal millions of people at once. No prophet in any religion on this or any other planet can do that because none of them represent The Original Creator who has yet to come.

Even the physical view has no answer because what even cause the universe is there was nothing to begin with?

There was always the non-living and infinite Light. The Light permitted reality to emerge from nothingness. When there is no reality, there is also no linear time. When there is no linear time, then something can emerge in The Light from its own probable existence.

When there is no linear time, time does not run in a straight line but as a spiral. In a spiral outside of linear time, consciousness can emerge in The Light.

Which is exactly what happened.

Also if the universe is infinite...

Scientists and mathematicians have concluded that the Universe is not infinite, only extremely large. Which points to its Creator being vast but not infinite in spiritual evolution and power.

There is much to contemplate. Take your time in doing so.