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23-11-2018, 07:54 AM
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Maybe gnosticism started in Judaism just before Jesus, and when the Jesus message came along they twisted it to suit gnostic philosophy.
So now they think they know 'the real Jesus' and believe that Christians have been fooled by the church.
Gnosticism is a perfect new age philosophy, palatable Christianity for those unwilling to accept a higher authority than themselves.
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I think that is pretty close to the truth of the matter.
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23-11-2018, 08:13 AM
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One thing that I did not know is that the Christians persecuted the Gnostics.
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23-11-2018, 08:31 AM
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One thing that I did not know is that the Christians persecuted the Gnostics.
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What kind of ' Christians ' persecute others? They do have a History though of persecuting others, Christian by name but not by nature
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23-11-2018, 09:03 AM
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One thing that I did not know is that the Christians persecuted the Gnostics.
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I don’t think gnostics were persecuted by the early church as such, though I understand their teaching was deemed heretical and rejected and criticised by the developing orthodox church.
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23-11-2018, 09:12 AM
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What kind of ' Christians ' persecute others? They do have a History though of persecuting others, Christian by name but not by nature
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Christians have a lot to learn. Christians can't just snap their fingers and be like Jesus, it takes a lot of work, and many mistakes have been made in the name of Christianity.
It doesn't mean gnostics have fared any better though, are gnostics beyond reproach in your experience? If you identify as a gnostic, are you always loving, and thinking of others, or do you still fall short some times?
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23-11-2018, 09:17 AM
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' Early Christian beliefs were highly diverse.
There was no single Bible, there were dozens of books all saying contradictory things, and different groups considered different books to be true.
In order for Christianity to be used as a political tool of the Empire to control the masses, it had to be one solidified concrete set of beliefs without variation, codified into a single book created by committee.
Thus, Christianity was born, and all of the unacceptable variations were persecuted and killed off as heretics.'
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23-11-2018, 09:24 AM
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Christians have a lot to learn. Christians can't just snap their fingers and be like Jesus, it takes a lot of work, and many mistakes have been made in the name of Christianity.
It doesn't mean gnostics have fared any better though, are gnostics beyond reproach in your experience? If you identify as a gnostic, are you always loving, and thinking of others, or do you still fall short some times?
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You don't ' Learn ' to be like Jesus django your essence is Divine as is Jesus. You strip away your learned knowledge and are left with your inner knowledge, thats the difference.
Btw, I am not a Gnostic
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23-11-2018, 09:39 AM
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You don't ' Learn ' to be like Jesus django your essence is Divine as is Jesus. You strip away your learned knowledge and are left with your inner knowledge, thats the difference.
Btw, I am not a Gnostic
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"Christians have a lot to learn", and I would agree the way to learn is indeed to strip away all the conditioned baggage. I think Christianity falls short in not teaching this, though I gather the Christian mystics did come to this knowledge time and again. "First self-knowledge then God-knowledge".
What the Christian mystics have through their stripping away and afterwards is faith in God and Jesus as the messiah/Christ, when everything is stripped away Jesus is still needed, and God is still needed, I think the gnostic has dispelled the need for Jesus or God or Christian emptying of self because to them they already are like Jesus or already are God.
Oh, and I did think you were gnostic because you seem to defend gnosticism and have always professed an appreciation and gnostic understanding of the Gospel of Thomas.
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23-11-2018, 10:11 AM
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Btw, I am not a Gnostic
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Of course you are. All your posts indicate this.
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